Jason Kidd coming to the Cavaliers???

[heathmalc]

There is a rumor running around here in New Orleans that the Cavaliers' Danny Ferry are in trade-negotiations that would bring Jason Kidd to Cleveland.

Word is that Thorn wants Gibson,Snow,Marshall and Newble plus 2 1st round picks and cash for Kidd and Malik Allen.

Danny Ferry allegedly turned-down this deal and countered with Eric Snow, Damon Jones, Donyell Marshall, 2 1st rounders and cash.

BTW... LeBron and Kidd were just talking with Gibson.

I don't think there is anything to this, but it might be possible.

[FlightNo.23]

I like the counter-offer

Would be awesome

[heathmalc]

ditto

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

I'd definetly do the 2nd trade, but there's no way the Nets do that. I'd still do the 1st trade, Lebron+Kidd+anyone=championship.

EDIT: Link? And please don't like to the wiretap article, I've seen that.

[girlygirl]

There is no way in hell NJ takes that 2nd offer. That's awful. A washed up PG who never plays, a one-dimensional shooter with a huge ego, another over the hill guy and a couple of low 1st round picks?

WHY would NJ want anything to do with that deal. At least in the Dallas deal they would have gotten a PG to replace Kidd.

[Gordon Bombay]

no deals for gibson

[TheOUTLAW]

I have no idea why any rational Cavs fan would be talking Gibson at all in a trade.

As I said in another thread. The Cavs with Kidd starting alongside Hughes without Gibson is probably the worst shooting team in the NBA and probably not a better team than we are full strength.

[L&H_05]

Forget Kidd.

Keep Boobie and go with a smaller deal.

Getting Kidd means LeBron has to adjust his game in mid-season because Kidd is ineffective without the ball, and in the 5 years that LBJ has been here we don't now how his game would react off the ball consistently. If you get Jason Kidd it's almost a guarantee the ball is in his hands, and LeBron is off the ball.

And in those playoff 4th quarters in close ball games I want the ball in nobody else's hands besides LeBron James.

In which case I don't want him kicking the ball out to Kidd or Hughes for open shots due to the fact that neither excel in the shooting department..

So I suggest trading for a guy that can benefit LeBron's strengths in terms of his ball handling, passing ability and ultimate decision making.

[devwat12]

I don't think you include Gibson unless Lebron is demanding that you do anything possible to get Kidd.

I'd rather absorb Cardinal's contract and pick up Mike Miller. Maybe take on Kenny Thomas' contract to get Artest if you think Ron will re-sign at a reasonable rate.

I know Ferry isn't high on bringing in more bad contracts, but Lebron seems to be telling anybody who will listen that he wants the team to make a move this week.

[Gordon Bombay]

Forget Kidd.

Keep Boobie and go with a smaller deal.

Getting Kidd means LeBron has to adjust his game in mid-season because Kidd is ineffective without the ball, and in the 5 years that LBJ has been here we don't now how his game would react off the ball consistently. If you get Jason Kidd it's almost a guarantee the ball is in his hands, and LeBron is off the ball.

And in those playoff 4th quarters in close ball games I want the ball in nobody else's hands besides LeBron James.

In which case I don't want him kicking the ball out to Kidd or Hughes for open shots due to the fact that neither excel in the shooting department..

So I suggest trading for a guy that can benefit LeBron's strengths in terms of his ball handling, passing ability and ultimate decision making

^mike miller^

[TheOUTLAW]

at this point I'd much rather have Miller than Kidd.

[mg]

I just don't see Kidd as a possibility. Based on the Dallas deal, the Cavs would probably have to give up Gibson and a few draft picks and possibly even Gooden. There's just no way to make it work.

I'd freakin' love to see Mike Miller on the Cavs but not getting my hopes up that Memphis actually trades him. They're taking enough criticism after dealing Gasol. I'm assuming the Cavaliers would take back Cardinal's contract based on LeBron's desire the team make improvements.

My guess is Ferry makes a smaller deal. Maybe a Delonte West, Jarret Jack, or Kyle Lowry type trade. They don't have the name recognition of Kidd but could have an impact on the team during the stretch run and are young enough to stick around for awhile. Apparently these guys are available but their teams will probably be looking for a 1st round pick.

[B Mac]

For the pricetag Im on the dont get JKidd bandwagon.

Give up far less and get a better fit in Mike Miller. It only makes sense.

Tell LeBron that its either Kidd and no 1st rounders or Boobie and all our 1st rounders. He'll make the right decision.

[Harper4Ferry?]

We have to keep Gibson if we trade for Kidd, otherwise it makes no sense for us. We'd have no outside shooting whatsoever.

[jnester71]

Grrrrrreat article on the Cavs pursuing Kidd..

With a headline like "Cavs and Nuggets Pursuing Kidd" you'd think there'd be a mention about either of the two teams other than "there are no 'realistic' offers"..
but thats the media for you..

todays performance by Gibson was awesome..
the kid can shoot it..

his value has got to be as high as its ever been

I foresee a very ugly contract negotiation with our overmatched GM this offseason

Gibsons people will want starters money

and Ferry will try to pay him chump change

[jnester71]

hey, how about we sign TO?

[heathmalc]

Grrrrrreat article on the Cavs pursuing Kidd..

With a headline like "Cavs and Nuggets Pursuing Kidd" you'd think there'd be a mention about either of the two teams other than "there are no 'realistic' offers"..
but thats the media for you..

todays performance by Gibson was awesome..
the kid can shoot it..

his value has got to be as high as its ever been

I foresee a very ugly contract negotiation with our overmatched GM this offseason

Gibsons people will want starters money

and Ferry will try to pay him chump change

The reason for this is that the NBA is shut down during the all-star break, and forbids teams to talk about any trades during this time, so it don't take away from the all-star game hype.


More about Jason Kidd:

Jason Kidd says that he would love to play for the Cavaliers, but that he highly doubted anything could get done before the summer break. When speaking with the TNT crew and then ESPN crew (respectively), Jason said that he would do what he could to help the Nets go as far as they could in the playoffs. He noted that Rod Thorn had tried to make a deal for him, but that it didn't go down. He added, "Things have a way of working themselves out, I may not get moved right now, but they'll end-up doing what's best."

LeBron James was with the TNT-Overtime crew, and alluded to what Kobe done over the summer (demanding a trade,etc), and that it netted him Gasol. He (LeBron) then said that hopefully a deal would be agreed to before Thursday that would help the Cavaliers. Charles Barkley told LeBron that he was "tugging on Superman's cape," in reference to LeBron being close to the Best player (Kobe) in the league. Charles then added that he believed that LeBron was the MVP.

My Thoughts:

It appears that the Cavaliers are unwilling to part with Gibson at any cost.
From what has been said, it also appears that the only player they were willing to pay a steep price for was Kidd - and even then, they wouldn't include Gibson.

Is it just me, or did LeBron sound as if he was pretty confident that the Cavaliers would make some sort of move before the deadline?

At this point, I see NO way that the Nets trade Kidd to the Cavaliers...Not after what they almost had from Dallas. The only (HIGHLY,HIGHLY unlikely) way I can see Kidd coming to the Cavs is if Kidd exerts extreme pressure to get it done. And frankly, I don't see that happening.

I agree with most other posters here: Mike Miller is a preferable signing to Jason Kidd. I would DEFINITELY give-up a 1st rounder for Mike.

[B Mac]

his value has got to be as high as its ever been

I foresee a very ugly contract negotiation with our overmatched GM this offseason

Gibsons people will want starters money

and Ferry will try to pay him chump change

I might be wrong here (first time for everything) but isnt there a max on how much Gibson can make on his second contract? I believe no one will be able to outbid us for him. Can someone with more CBA knowledge help me out here?

[heathmalc]

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I might be wrong here (first time for everything) but isnt there a max on how much Gibson can make on his second contract? I believe no one will be able to outbid us for him. Can someone with more CBA knowledge help me out here?

You are 100% right.

Gibson can sign an extension for up to 5 years right now. If no agreement is made on extension during summer, Cavs offer qualifying bid and keep him for another year @ aboyt 2 million. Then he becomes unrestricted FA, but Cavs still can pay him the most (Larry Bird rights).

He will probably sign a 3 year deal that is comparable to what Sasha signed. Difference between Daniel and Sasha/Anderson is that he WANTS to play with LeBron! There wont be any problems with his signing an extension.

I Think the Cavs may try to sign him for the 5 year max contract, so LeBron will be happy. Otherwise it'll be a 3-year deal.

[kiwibrindle]

I too would rather see Miller than Kidd. However, my fear is that Bron has to see a name like Kidd here to listen to not being the center of the offense.

What I mean is, a couple nights ago against San Antonio, Hughes had 26 or 28 points at the end of three qtrs. Then Ginoblli got hot and Bron had to take over. He played well but Hughes who was doing well did not even shoot in the entire fourth quarter.

My point. Miller comes here and we will see everyone standing around watching Bron being Bron in crunch time (don't get me wrong that's pretty good), but if Kidd comes here we could see the ball going to the open man at the end of a game.

What a concept!