I think it is OVER. What's Next?

[dacher]

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and Kidd extends for a reasonable amount.

And in 2 years we get LeBron,
just in time for the move to Brooklyn.

[HotShots]

It aint over till it's over!

Neither owner Mark Cuban nor general manager Donnie Nelson responded to interview requests Friday. However, Thorn said he envisioned many scenarios that might be feasible to retool the deal and make it happen.

The league is likely to wait until Monday to review any trades to which teams agree, so as not to overshadow All-Star weekend.

Kidd and Dirk Nowitzki said Friday they expect a quick resolution to the deal one way or another. Both players were in an NBA community initiative at a Lower Ninth Ward neighborhood.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... de.2d4ada6



PLEASE GO THRU!

[Rich Rane]

It aint over till it's over!

Neither owner Mark Cuban nor general manager Donnie Nelson responded to interview requests Friday. However, Thorn said he envisioned many scenarios that might be feasible to retool the deal and make it happen.

The league is likely to wait until Monday to review any trades to which teams agree, so as not to overshadow All-Star weekend.

Kidd and Dirk Nowitzki said Friday they expect a quick resolution to the deal one way or another. Both players were in an NBA community initiative at a Lower Ninth Ward neighborhood.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... de.2d4ada6



PLEASE GO THRU!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3248711
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/0 ... a_net.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02162008/sp ... _97923.htm
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... _kidd.html
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/ ... pheap.html
http://www.yesnetwork.com/news/article. ... 318&vkey=3
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/sport ... ref=slogin
http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/477499.html

Yeah...this deal is going nowhere fast.

[HotShots]

Rich How could you be happy about this????????


You know its time to move on this is a great deal for a 35year old pg. Harris is young a quick. Plus 2 1st round picks. What the hell is wrong with you??????????

It's time to rebuild. We will not win it all with this roster. It's time to move on.


You'll see a deal for Kidd will go thru....maybe not the same one but Harris & Picks we will get before the dead line.

[Jordan45822]

IMO Nets will get more when Kidd is an expiring over the summer. So I say you guys just play it out rest of the season.

[Rich Rane]

Rich How could you be happy about this????????


You know its time to move on this is a great deal for a 35year old pg. Harris is young a quick. Plus 2 1st round picks. What the hell is wrong with you??????????

It's time to rebuild. We will not win it all with this roster. It's time to move on.


You'll see a deal for Kidd will go thru....maybe not the same one but Harris & Picks we will get before the dead line.

I never said I was against the deal, but I also have the same views as the poster above me.

[HotShots]

If someone is trying to clear money by taken Kidds expiring contract then that means we will be willing to take back a long term contract. I doubt that highly. Thorn isnt Thomas......thats not the way to rebuild.

[G_MoNeY]

before any of this started, I thought it'd be better to wait until summer. However, after all these rumors, it may be to point of no return. Seriously, look at all these players who were being dealt and knew about it. Now would have to go back to their old teams and act like nothing ever happened. Can you say awkward?

This could be a good thing for us though. Say a deal still does get done before the deadline. Thorn is holding his ground with the pieces Dallas has offered instead, so they may get desperate and add another young, nice piece.

[Rich Rane]

If someone is trying to clear money by taken Kidds expiring contract then that means we will be willing to take back a long term contract. I doubt that highly. Thorn isnt Thomas......thats not the way to rebuild.

There you go. Answered within your own post.

before any of this started, I thought it'd be better to wait until summer. However, after all these rumors, it may be to point of no return. Seriously, look at all these players who were being dealt and knew about it. Now would have to go back to their old teams and act like nothing ever happened. Can you say awkward?

Not our problem. Kidd's been keeping contact with the team since the TOR game. Dallas is another story.

This could be a good thing for us though. Say a deal still does get done before the deadline. Thorn is holding his ground with the pieces Dallas has offered instead, so they may get desperate and add another young, nice piece.

Like who?

[G_MoNeY]

Josh Howard, not likely. Brandon Bass. Another draft pick, etc..

[Rich Rane]

Josh Howard, not likely. Brandon Bass. Another draft pick, etc..

I doubt they give us Bass. They're pretty thin on reliable bigs as is. Not to mention, it'd only confuse both sides on a trade even more with the small contract that he has. I highly doubt Dallas throws in a third first if that's what you're aiming for to be held by this trade for 5 years since you can't trade consecutive 1sts. I couldn't care less about 2nds since it will probably be 53-60.

[Netaman]

Josh Howard, not likely. Brandon Bass. Another draft pick, etc..

I doubt we are going to be able to get more talent. If Dallas goes through with the trade they are already going to be "giving up more" in the sense that they will spending a lot more money (probably 10 million minimum including Lux Tax). Plus none of their young players have any value in terms of matching money so it is doubtful. I think the earliest additional draft pick they can add would be the 2012 first rounder or the 2009 2nd rounder so I don't think there is much value their for either team.

If the trade gets turned around and nothing happens, this whole situation has definitely helped the Nets. The league now knows we aren't settling for a Kwame Brown package, Jason Kidd will now be appeased for the duration of the season, and Thorn has bought himself some time to get himself a good package when Kidd will possibly be worth more.

Dallas is going to have a far tougher time mending their team chemistry with half the organization (including Dirk publicly) pissed at George, Harris and Diop knowing they were basically given up, and Stackhouse not getting "his rest" and missing out on upfront money. Jason Kidd will handle the return like a professional, and I could care less about how Malik Allen and Antoine Wright handle the situation.

[HotShots]

So Rich Why is Kidds expiring contract so important?????

So another team can just trade youth picks & expiring cotracts for one expiring contract. Doesn't make sense??????


Didn't we have that problem with VC's expiring contract? No team wanted him they were affraid he'd leave. Whats the difference with Kidd's expiring contract this summer. A one year rental...........the same they said about VC.

The only way a team is interested in a big expiring contract is if you take back a long term contract..........thats what makes it interesting for teams. Not to give up expiring & picks & youth just for a one year rental. The best time is now when a team is looking for a push & has a chance with Kidd for one more year. The guy is 36...........what you want to wait till he is 37?????????

[RJ 24]

So Rich Why is Kidds expiring contract so important?????

So another team can just trade youth picks & expiring cotracts for one expiring contract. Doesn't make sense??????


Didn't we have that problem with VC's expiring contract? No team wanted him they were affraid he'd leave. Whats the difference with Kidd's expiring contract this summer. A one year rental...........the same they said about VC.

The only way a team is interested in a big expiring contract is if you take back a long term contract..........thats what makes it interesting for teams. Not to give up expiring & picks & youth just for a one year rental. The best time is now when a team is looking for a push & has a chance with Kidd for one more year. The guy is 36...........what you want to wait till he is 37?????????

Kidd's contract expires next summer, not this one.

[Rich Rane]

Didn't we have that problem with VC's expiring contract? No team wanted him they were affraid he'd leave. Whats the difference with Kidd's expiring contract this summer. A one year rental...........the same they said about VC.

VC had a player's option on his contract to leave. That's why teams were afraid to go after him. Kidd doesn't. Different situation.

The only way a team is interested in a big expiring contract is if you take back a long term contract..........thats what makes it interesting for teams. Not to give up expiring & picks & youth just for a one year rental. The best time is now when a team is looking for a push & has a chance with Kidd for one more year. The guy is 36...........what you want to wait till he is 37?????????

He's 34 currently. Teams that look at Kidd could just say it's one year. If it doesn't work out, we could sign him cheaper because this could be his best shot here. Teams could say I want a good chance at a low risk on financial purposes. Kidd makes $19 million this year and $21 the next. Do I really want to pay out both years?

Not to mention Thorn couldn't care less if Kidd sat at home for the next year and a half as he'll come off the books by then anyway and he'll have $21 million off the books. The man with the leverage here isn't Cuban, it's not Harris, or anyone on Dallas, or even Kidd. It's Thorn. When you realize that, you'll understand the situation more.

[HotShots]

Your thinking in the end gets nothing........no picks.......no youth........just 20 mil off.


I hope we get Harris, 2 first rounders & expiring contracts before the trade deadline. I doubt we can do better in the summer.

[Rich Rane]

Your thinking in the end gets nothing........no picks.......no youth........just 20 mil off.


I hope we get Harris, 2 first rounders & expiring contracts before the trade deadline. I doubt we can do better in the summer.

When have I said I didn't want this?

[dacher]

Thorn can't let Kidd just expire.

If that happens the team is back to square 0, at expansion team level rebuilding mode, just in time for the move to Brooklyn. Once a team drops down to expansion level bad there is no telling how long it will take to recover.

The only way it makes sense is if the Thorn seriously believes the Nets can pry away LeBron or Wade or another franchise player. But just because a team has the cap space and the money, doesn't mean you get your pick of FAs. The most in-demand FAs are a sellers market who get paid the same whereever they sign, so they pick and choose where THEY will play.

[Rich Rane]

Thorn can't let Kidd just expire.

If that happens the team is back to square 0, at expansion team level rebuilding mode, just in time for the move to Brooklyn. Once a team drops down to expansion level bad there is no telling how long it will take to recover.

And we'll be gathering top draft picks by that questionable time. Rebuilding with our own young talent is much better than staying in the middle of the pack paying the luxury tax. As for the move to Brooklyn, Ratner saves money, Thorn scouts. You have so many people around the nation going to see young talent now that we could have the same amount of people we have now going to see them in Brooklyn.

The only way it makes sense is if the Thorn seriously believes the Nets can pry away LeBron or Wade or another franchise player. But just because a team has the cap space and the money, doesn't mean you get your pick of FAs. The most in-demand FAs are a sellers market who get paid the same whereever they sign, so they pick and choose where THEY will play.

You're absolutely right, but does a team of Harris, VC, and RJ with the latter two hated by all of NY put us in any better position? Granted yes, I do like Harris, but are we really going to be the team to beat in the East come Brooklyn? Would Harris want to stay? How good are we if all we do each year is spend fractions of the MLE on players that won't earn it?

Yes, I do believe somewhere down the line Thorn will have to think of that. All I've said was that as of now, this trade, Thorn has the leverage. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO TRADE. He will have options with Kidd starting in the offseason on whether he should rebuild or simply retool. This whole thing is on Cuban if he wants to pay more luxury tax on already the most expensive team in the league. Does he want a ring? How much does he thinks his chances increase in a very powerful West? Does he want to pay Kidd's salary this year and next's along with the $3 million he has to pay for the trade along with George and Stackhouse's current contract?

[HotShots]

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When have I said I didn't want this?

Your thinking in the end gets nothing........no picks.......no youth........just 20 mil off.


I hope we get Harris, 2 first rounders & expiring contracts before the trade deadline. I doubt we can do better in the summer.

You're saying we could do better in the summer.
I highly doubt it.