Would Colangelo be interested in Nocioni?

[I_Like_Dirt]

On a per minute basis there's a pretty big gap between some of the players you cited, sub. Assuming Nocioni still got the same kind of minutes he's been getting on the Bulls he'd still get a similar number of shots, and if he was allowed/pushed to be choosier with his shots and took less because of it his percentages would go up.

[supersub15]

On a per minute basis there's a pretty big gap between some of the players you cited, sub. Assuming Nocioni still got the same kind of minutes he's been getting on the Bulls he'd still get a similar number of shots, and if he was allowed/pushed to be choosier with his shots and took less because of it his percentages would go up.

Per 36 minutes, our main rotation players get the following number of shots:

T.J. Ford 15.6
Chris Bosh 15.4
Andrea Bargnani 13.5
Juan Dixon 13.7
Kris Humphries 12.5
Jason Kapono 12.1
Carlos Delfino 11.9
Anthony Parker 11.2
Jose Calderon 10.4
Jamario Moon 9.8
Rasho Nesterovic 8.6

Nobody is breaking the 16 FGA, not even Bosh and, apart from Bosh, nobody is playing more than 32 minutes per game. Nocioni or no Nocioni, Sam is going to spread the minutes around.

[RockTHECasbah]

Stop shooting TJ and Kris

[NH]

Nocioni would be a good fit to this team I say, but the guy is already 29 yrs old and reminds me of a Garbo-type player, and we already have Garbo (well for next season at least). Rather try to get Maggette

[I_Like_Dirt]

Nobody is breaking the 16 FGA, not even Bosh and, apart from Bosh, nobody is playing more than 32 minutes per game. Nocioni or no Nocioni, Sam is going to spread the minutes around.

Are you kidding me? Normally teams get their better players ~18-21 fga per 48 minutes with a few offensive dynamoes aside (e.g. Melo, Lebron, Wade). Teams like Phoenix, San Antonio, Detroit, Boston, Golden State and New Orleans all function without having a guy take more than 22 fga per 48 minutes (Ford and Bosh lead the Raptors at 20.7 and 20.5 fga per minute and their leads gets bigger when you factor in free throws). Hell, Bargnani averages 18.1 shots per 48 and none of Boston's big three average 19 or more.

Also, the only guys on the Raptors presently shooting a higher TS% than Nocioni this season are Bosh, Calderon, Parker and Kapono and three of those guys hardly shoot at all.

Nocioni wouldn't be able to take quite as many shots per 48 minutes as he does in Chicago but he would still get a pretty significant share. He's also more efficient than any actual scorer the Raptors have besides Bosh. And while Sam would definitely spread minutes around, the amount of time Nocioni would get would invariably depend upon who was traded for him. Nocioni would start at SF and play some minutes at PF as well (Humphries would probably lose most of his minutes and Rasho would lose a few when the Raptors decided to go with Nocioni at PF and Bosh at C). I'm sure he'd get around 30 mpg (a little more than Garbajosa got last season) which is more than he's averaging for the Bulls this season.

[Merit]

forget about nocioni. if it's between nocioni and miller - Miller imho is >>> than nocioni. for one, he can stay with SF's. Secondly, his FG% is great, and he's a player who can create for himself on occasion. Furthermore, he can rebound, and does so at a better rate than nocioni. i'd rather pay miller 9 mil than nocioni 8.5.

[supersub15]

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Are you kidding me? Normally teams get their better players ~18-21 fga per 48 minutes with a few offensive dynamoes aside (e.g. Melo, Lebron, Wade). Teams like Phoenix, San Antonio, Detroit, Boston, Golden State and New Orleans all function without having a guy take more than 22 fga per 48 minutes (Ford and Bosh lead the Raptors at 20.7 and 20.5 fga per minute and their leads gets bigger when you factor in free throws). Hell, Bargnani averages 18.1 shots per 48 and none of Boston's big three average 19 or more.

Also, the only guys on the Raptors presently shooting a higher TS% than Nocioni this season are Bosh, Calderon, Parker and Kapono and three of those guys hardly shoot at all.

Nocioni wouldn't be able to take quite as many shots per 48 minutes as he does in Chicago but he would still get a pretty significant share. He's also more efficient than any actual scorer the Raptors have besides Bosh. And while Sam would definitely spread minutes around, the amount of time Nocioni would get would invariably depend upon who was traded for him. Nocioni would start at SF and play some minutes at PF as well (Humphries would probably lose most of his minutes and Rasho would lose a few when the Raptors decided to go with Nocioni at PF and Bosh at C). I'm sure he'd get around 30 mpg (a little more than Garbajosa got last season) which is more than he's averaging for the Bulls this season.

PS: You're using 48 minutes as a measuring stick, I'm using 36 minutes. Let's use 36, since the information is readily available on Basketball-Reference.com. Plus, 36 is more realistic than 48.

Now, as to Nocioni:
Nocioni averages 16 FGA in 36 minutes.
Bosh averages 15.5 FGA in 36 minutes.

On the Raptors, Nocioni - even if he played those 36 minutes - would never see 16 shots per game. That's what I'm trying to get at. He's not an allstar that would come to a team and immediately change the dynamics of that team, like Iverson when he joined Denver and immediately took away shots from everybody else.

[Three34]

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Don't be so sure of that. The boy takes what he likes. It's not like we cater to him. He just puts up crap shots. Constantly.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Now, as to Nocioni:
Nocioni averages 16 FGA in 36 minutes.
Bosh averages 15.5 FGA in 36 minutes.

On the Raptors, Nocioni - even if he played those 36 minutes - would never see 16 shots per game. That's what I'm trying to get at. He's not an allstar that would come to a team and immediately change the dynamics of that team, like Iverson when he joined Denver and immediately took away shots from everybody else.

I was only using per 48 because it's readily available on ESPN. Honestly, to me it doesn't really matter which amount of minutes you're using, it's still the same data. You could use per minute stats if you wanted and you'd just be dealing with smaller numbers. Using per 36 minutes, though, I don't see any reason why Andres couldn't get ~14-15 instead of 16. Ford and Bargnani both do. Is that really going to affect his numbers drastically when he's also playing a few more minutes? He'd probably get a similar number of shots per game and have the opportunity to be a little more selective and up his numbers slightly.

Contract aside, I think he'd fit in perfectly on the Raptors. And really, his contract doesn't worry me too much. Good players cost money and Andres' contract doesn't actually increase as the seasons go on. I'd still want to see a major investment in another star, though.