Miller for Expiring Contracts

[Pugsley_2491]

whats the point if we trade kidd? we should either go all out for a title or go all out for a rebuild...

[TheGrowth]

Common sense also says trade whilst value is high. RJ will never have his value higher right now.

[isekii]

If we can get Mike Miller, I hope we trade RJ or VC for for a legit big.

Then we'd just have to retain kidd and go balls out.

[keepthenetsinnj]

Since the Kidd deal has fallen through for now, I think a trade for both Miller and JO would be a wise decision. To add these two players and keep Kidd, we could easily be top 3-5 in the East. If we trade VC to Indiana with somebody else like Malik Allen, and are able to get JO and maybe a guy like Rush, while getting Miller in a deal for Magloire and Nachbar, this team would be very deep:

PG: Kidd/Williams/Armstrong
SG: Miller/Wright
SF: Jefferson/Rush
PF: O'Neal/S.Williams/Swift
C: Krstic/Boone

[mack69]

The Nets may not be done. One source said they were talking to the Grizzlies again about Mike Miller for pieces including Bostjan Nachbar and Magloire.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02142008/sp ... _97501.htm

I am not sure about this. Miller has two more years at $9+ mil each.

Harris
Miller
RJ
Nenad
Boone

Looks cool on paper. If we cant get ride of VC, Miller coming off the bench could work too.

SIC, I know you want VC outta here but unlike KIdd he wants to be here Thorn is not trading him.

[S.I.C. GM]

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SIC, I know you want VC outta here but unlike KIdd he wants to be here Thorn is not trading him.

Yeah I want VC outta here.

But mack, doesnt it make sense to get rid of him since Kidd is gone. I would rather go see The NEW Nets (Portland of the East) then to go see VC chucking shots. Atleast we know we are going in the right directiion. 2010 Baby!!!!!

All honesty do you guys really think after Kidd gets traded we are still contenders? Come ON.

LET THE REBUILDING BEGIN!!!!!!

TANKING ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!!

[TheGrowth]

Whats the purpose of rebuilding? How does it benefit the team? They get draft picks then what? REtooling is always the way to go.

How is rebuilding working for the Sonics and Wolves? The Hawks have been rebuilding for years now and they still might not make the playoffs? The Bulls tried the rebuilding route and look where that got them. You need a mix of vets and young talent to win in the NBA nowadays. Rebuilding is fools gold

They still play in the East and have just as good a chance as anyone to continually make the playoffs. Just because Kidd is gone doesnt mean the team is going to be abysmal. They still have a solid core that should be a .500 team.

Vince is the only guy on the team that gets double teams. He is averaging more rebounds and assists than RJ. You don't think he can be an asset to the team, especially with his ability to find the open man.

I know you don't like the guy but at least look at the merits of keeping him aboard

Harris
Vince
RJ
Boone
Nenad

Plus Mike coming off the bench is a very solid team. Especially now that the team has some big man depth. They aren't playing in the West.

[S.I.C. GM]

Whats the purpose of rebuilding? How does it benefit the team? They get draft picks then what? REtooling is always the way to go.

How is rebuilding working for the Sonics and Wolves? The Hawks have been rebuilding for years now and they still might not make the playoffs? The Bulls tried the rebuilding route and look where that got them. You need a mix of vets and young talent to win in the NBA nowadays. Rebuilding is fools gold

They still play in the East and have just as good a chance as anyone to continually make the playoffs. Just because Kidd is gone doesnt mean the team is going to be abysmal. They still have a solid core that should be a .500 team.

Vince is the only guy on the team that gets double teams. He is averaging more rebounds and assists than RJ. You don't think he can be an asset to the team, especially with his ability to find the open man.

I know you don't like the guy but at least look at the merits of keeping him aboard

Harris
Vince
RJ
Boone
Nenad

Plus Mike coming off the bench is a very solid team. Especially now that the team has some big man depth. They aren't playing in the West.

First, all those teams made bad decisions. Sonics should have let Allen go awhile ago. Wolves were stubborn about KG. The Hawks always have draft picks and make the wrong decision. How can you not pick a PG especially with both D. Williams and CP3 in the draft? Then not try toget Conley.

Second, The bulls did a good job rebuilding. They have a lot of young talent, but management f'up by getting wallace and not extending Gordan and Deng.

I dont like the way he plays. He has no HEART. With Kidd gone, he will go back to his normal self. He can lead any team. One of the reasons many of us were happy to take him was the FACT that this was KIDD's TEAM. Now he is back to being the main MAN. HOW IS HE GOING TO REACT? Answer that buddy.

[Antti22]

SIC, can you sometimes just shut up and not say the words Vince Carter or VC ever again?
Your hatred for him has been unbareable!

[deviljets7]

Whats the purpose of rebuilding? How does it benefit the team? They get draft picks then what? REtooling is always the way to go.

How is rebuilding working for the Sonics and Wolves? The Hawks have been rebuilding for years now and they still might not make the playoffs? The Bulls tried the rebuilding route and look where that got them. You need a mix of vets and young talent to win in the NBA nowadays. Rebuilding is fools gold

They still play in the East and have just as good a chance as anyone to continually make the playoffs. Just because Kidd is gone doesnt mean the team is going to be abysmal. They still have a solid core that should be a .500 team.

Vince is the only guy on the team that gets double teams. He is averaging more rebounds and assists than RJ. You don't think he can be an asset to the team, especially with his ability to find the open man.

I know you don't like the guy but at least look at the merits of keeping him aboard

Harris
Vince
RJ
Boone
Nenad

Plus Mike coming off the bench is a very solid team. Especially now that the team has some big man depth. They aren't playing in the West.

For starters, judging the rebuilding process of Minnesota and Seattle after 50 games is foolish.

Second a lot of the "failed" rebuilds were based on GM incompetence. Atlanta for reasons still unknown decided that Marvin Williams over Chris Paul/Deron Williams and Sheldon Williams over Brandon Roy/Rudy Gay/Randy Foye were good decisions. Chicago decided to throw a dump truck full of money at Ben Wallace instead of sticking with Tyson Chandler.

It's all well and good that this team with Harris instead of Kidd can be a 6-8 seed. I thought the goal is to be a legit contender and win championships, not win 40 games and get smoked by Boston or Detroit in the first round.

There's no guarantee that a true rebuilding process will result in trips to the finals or a championship. But I'd much rather take a chance on true success than spending the foreseeable future winning 40-42 games and being served up on a platter for the true contenders in the first round.

[TheGrowth]

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First, all those teams made bad decisions. Sonics should have let Allen go awhile ago. Wolves were stubborn about KG. The Hawks always have draft picks and make the wrong decision. How can you not pick a PG especially with both D. Williams and CP3 in the draft? Then not try toget Conley.

Second, The bulls did a good job rebuilding. They have a lot of young talent, but management f'up by getting wallace and not extending Gordan and Deng.

I dont like the way he plays. He has no HEART. With Kidd gone, he will go back to his normal self. He can lead any team. One of the reasons many of us were happy to take him was the FACT that this was KIDD's TEAM. Now he is back to being the main MAN. HOW IS HE GOING TO REACT? Answer that buddy.

He has no heart, yet he has played more games than most elite swingmen in the league in the last 4 years. You have continually been harping on Vince, but his production as pretty much been the same in his last 4 years. His ppg is lower because he is taking 3 less shots and RJ is taking more. If there is anyone that has changed this past 4 years, its Kidd. Not only has his shooting numbers been terrible, his turnovers have gone up. I am not one for blaming single players for the teams woes. But this team was built wrong for the get go. In the four years of Vince being with the Nets, only one season have they really had a good bench. Thorn gutted the team this offseason, letting go off their best shooter and a very good big man. Magloire doesn't even play, what a waste of money.

How am I supposed to know how Vince will react? Am not Nastradamus. One thing I do know is you will be the first one to criticize him if he does wrong and probably not say anything when he does good.

By the way you keep bringing up this resigning issue, tell me what other option did the Nets have? Who could they have replaced him with?

[TheGrowth]

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Name one of the elite teams in the league that used rebuilding to get where they are right now?

Boston realized rebuilding is a farce and immediately used trades to bolster their team. No successful team uses the draft solely to get to championship status. Especially in the West

[Netaman]

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Name one of the elite teams in the league that used rebuilding to get where they are right now?

Boston realized rebuilding is a farce and immediately used trades to bolster their team. No successful team uses the draft solely to get to championship status. Especially in the West

San Antonio, Portland, Cleveland, and I personally would call Bostons 3+ years of picking in the lottery rebuilding

[TheGrowth]

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San Antonio, Portland, Cleveland, and I personally would call Bostons 3+ years of picking in the lottery rebuilding

Portland wont even be in the playoffs this year. And look how long it took them to assemble a decent team after they blew up the Wallace and Wells teams.

San Antonio was a playoff team before adding Duncan. It was because Robinson had a freak injury that they ended up in the lottery. Don't forget the Celtics were supposed to get Duncan not the Spurs

Boston were not going to win crap with rebuilding. Trades got them were they were right now

[Rich Rane]

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San Antonio, Portland, Cleveland, and I personally would call Bostons 3+ years of picking in the lottery rebuilding

Not to mention Miami got its ring by staying under the cap and sucking to get Wade. Detroit didn't completing it's Fab 5 until after letting Hill go.

[Netaman]

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Portland wont even be in the playoffs this year. And look how long it took them to assemble a decent team after they blew up the Wallace and Wells teams.

San Antonio was a playoff team before adding Duncan. It was because Robinson had a freak injury that they ended up in the lottery. Don't forget the Celtics were supposed to get Duncan not the Spurs

Boston were not going to win crap with rebuilding. Trades got them were they were right now

You are twisting facts to make your argument. Thats fine but the truth of the matter is every team i mentioned rebuilt to get where they are. Nobody is saying that you cant make trades, but the best way to facilitate trades is with young talent, high draft picks, and cap room.

Portland would win 50 games in the East (without their franchise center) so I count them as a success story. While their rebuild took a lot of time, that is because most of it was wasted. They have basically added every important piece of that team in the last 2 years.

San Antonio was a pure rebuild, Robinson was getting old fast, you are wrong there. Boston might not have won crap rebuilding, but their rebuilding (Gerald Green, Delonte West, the 6th pick, Al Jefferson) is what made their trades possible.

And while we are at it, you can add Utah to the list of teams that have successfully rebuilt. All it took them was a few years to clear salary (let their franchise players contracts expire, hmmm interesting). They made 1 key draft pick and got Okur and Boozer in FA. Presto, championship contender.

So basically the running tally of good teams whose rosters today are inarguably a direct result of 1-3 years of rebuilding - SA, Portland, Utah, Boston, Chicago, Miami, Cleveland

And honestly the other successful franchises in the league (Dallas, Lakers, Phoenix) are successful because of excellent drafting. Not as much trades.

[jeff1624]

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First, all those teams made bad decisions. Sonics should have let Allen go awhile ago. Wolves were stubborn about KG. The Hawks always have draft picks and make the wrong decision. How can you not pick a PG especially with both D. Williams and CP3 in the draft? Then not try toget Conley.

Second, The bulls did a good job rebuilding. They have a lot of young talent, but management f'up by getting wallace and not extending Gordan and Deng.

I dont like the way he plays. He has no HEART. With Kidd gone, he will go back to his normal self. He can lead any team. One of the reasons many of us were happy to take him was the FACT that this was KIDD's TEAM. Now he is back to being the main MAN. HOW IS HE GOING TO REACT? Answer that buddy.

They actually made the right decision this year by getting horford. As much as I like Conley, Horford is and will always be the better layer IMO.

But you are right they should have draft Brandon Roy/Chris Paul over the 2 williams and it's not the hindsight talking, On draft day EVRYONE knew the mistake the hawks were making...

Back to the topic..

IMHO we need to trade VC even if Kidd stays. While he hasnt been that bad as people say he's been, I just don't think he'll be worth 17 mil 3 years from now and lets face it His game doesnt go along with kidds. He's an half court guy who needs the ball in his hands to be effective. JO for VC IMO is an ok trade for us because even if o'neal doesnt play much this the rest of the season we're still headed for an early exit in the 1st round or missing the playoffs entirely with Carter. Why not risk it.

I'd love a

Krstic
O'Neal
Jefferson
Miller
kidd

Starting 5 and with Sean, Boone, Marcus and whoever we get this offseason, we'd be a better team overall..

Of course we'd have to get the Miller for Magloire and Nachbar Trade going first but thats a different story..

[TheGrowth]

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You are twisting facts to make your argument. Thats fine but the truth of the matter is every team i mentioned rebuilt to get where they are. Nobody is saying that you cant make trades, but the best way to facilitate trades is with young talent, high draft picks, and cap room.

Portland would win 50 games in the East (without their franchise center) so I count them as a success story. While their rebuild took a lot of time, that is because most of it was wasted. They have basically added every important piece of that team in the last 2 years.

San Antonio was a pure rebuild, Robinson was getting old fast, you are wrong there. Boston might not have won crap rebuilding, but their rebuilding (Gerald Green, Delonte West, the 6th pick, Al Jefferson) is what made their trades possible.

And while we are at it, you can add Utah to the list of teams that have successfully rebuilt. All it took them was a few years to clear salary (let their franchise players contracts expire, hmmm interesting). They made 1 key draft pick and got Okur and Boozer in FA. Presto, championship contender.

So basically the running tally of good teams whose rosters today are inarguably a direct result of 1-3 years of rebuilding - SA, Portland, Utah, Boston, Chicago, Miami, Cleveland

And honestly the other successful franchises in the league (Dallas, Lakers, Phoenix) are successful because of excellent drafting. Not as much trades.

Twisting facts? How? Portland haven't been bottom dwellers in the NBA for a while now? Robinson's injury didnt lead to the Spurs being in the lottery. Boston was well on their way to the lotto without making trades?

Portland is not in the East so thats a moot point. Eventually they are going to have to trade their young players to compete in the West.

It seems you are confusing retooling with rebuilding. Utah for instance were not rebuilding, they added a few key players and it got them where they are now. Boozer and Okur were FA signings.

Weren't the Spurs in the playoffs prior to the year Robinson got injured?

Boston stockpiled young talent knowing they weren't going anywhere. Trades are what got them to championship status. If the Nets go that route then thats great, but if they honestly believe that going to the draft every year will help them build a contender, I think its foolhardy.

Dallas have been poor with the draft in the last few years, so have Phoenix. I don't know where you got the idea that they have been doing well with drafts. Lakers on the other hand I will give you that. But they also have some great vets in Kobe, Odom and Gasol. Odom and Gasol were both from trades

[S.I.C. GM]

SIC, can you sometimes just shut up and not say the words Vince Carter or VC ever again?
Your hatred for him has been unbareable!

Can you remind ME?

Who the F are you?

I can say whatever the F I want to here, buddy.

VC sucks. VC has NO heart. VC is going to fold if he stays on this team without Kidd.

And I dont give a damn about how you feel.

[S.I.C. GM]

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How am I supposed to know how Vince will react? Am not Nastradamus. One thing I do know is you will be the first one to criticize him if he does wrong and probably not say anything when he does good.

By the way you keep bringing up this resigning issue, tell me what other option did the Nets have? Who could they have replaced him with?

Buddy,

First, I never brought up the resigning issue. Not once have I said thorn made a mistake resigning VC. I may have said they gave him too much. But never said it was a mistake resigning him.

Second, You dont have to be Nostradamus to know VC can handle being the man. Like he said when he got here, this is Kidd's team. If Kidd is gone ....