OT: Jeez, Bibby to the Hawks

[Rafael122]

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/717681.html

Mike Bibby for Shelden Williams, Lorenzen Wright, Anthony Johnson, and T. Lue.

Get on the phone Ernie.

[mhd]

What do we have to offer? We have no expirings, so no team wants anyone on our roster. Would you want Etan Thomas or Darius Songaila?

[mhd]

Oh, this is a good move for Atlanta even if Bibby is way overpaid as a max player. I do wonder if Bibby can run they way he used to.

[MJG]

Get on the phone Ernie.

And do what?

Anyways, nice move for the Hawks. Bibby is a nice player, if you ignore the contract, and plays the position they badly need help at. Should be quite nice for them.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Of all the trades that have gone down so far, this one affects the Wizards the most.

Atlanta seriously upgraded their PG position. By getting rid of Lue and A. Johnson, now theyve gotten rid of the type situation the Wizards had with Chuckie and Antonio, where two vets both fail to be the guy. Only for the Hawks they've got a lead PG and not a backup in Bibby. He's got an understudy who's so far a scoring point that doesn't shoot it well in Law.

What's probably going to happen is Bibby willl play very well, hitting open shots, not turning it over, and settling a young immature team because they know he's been a winner with the Kings in the past. Law will also play a whole lot better with regular minutes, not behind Lue and A. Johnson.

Joe Johnson will be the biggest benificiary because he's going to get better looks now.

This trade will put heat on the Wizards, as will the Marion trade, because those two teams ATL and MIA got better and will not be easy wins now.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Oh, this is a good move for Atlanta even if Bibby is way overpaid as a max player. I do wonder if Bibby can run they way he used to.

I don't think he can.

I think he can still shoot it, however.

Bibby won't need to run with Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, and Josh Childress all finishers who run well.

[nate33]

On the bright side, Atlanta is no longer a player in free agency. Sacramento didn't shed enough salary to become a player either. Only Philadelphia and Memphis are seriously under the cap. Neither figure to go after Arenas or Jamison.

[Rafael122]

I'm with CCJ here. The reason why I said EG should get on the phone is b/c out of all the moves being made, this one hurts us the most. Atlanta's like 2.5 games behind us, a nice 5-game winning streak and they are in 6th place.

Big move by Atlanta.

[LyricalRico]

^ Yup, big move for the Hawks. It still doesn't make up for them passing on a PG to draft Marvin Williams but this should be enough to get them into the playoffs this year.

Looking longterm, Miami is in a position to rebuild quickly and Charlotte is steadily improving year by year. If Atlanta can find a way to parlay Marvin Williams into a solid big man they'd be pretty set too.

The SouthEast isn't getting any weaker, that's for sure.

[closg00]

On the bright side, Atlanta is no longer a player in free agency. Sacramento didn't shed enough salary to become a player either. Only Philadelphia and Memphis are seriously under the cap. Neither figure to go after Arenas or Jamison.

Could Miami be in the mix in any potential Arenas sweepstakes? I could totally see Gilbert bolting to sunny Miami.

[Rafael122]

^Assuming Marion opts out, which I doubt.

[BruceO]

I've been saying people are being sold for almost nothing. The key factor is expirings. I've been pushing the idea of trading for artest with sacramento. I really do feel that Artest is on the market as well. All the players who have been rumoured to be on the move or on the trading block have been moved.
The trade i tried on espn trade machine was :

Etan Thomas 6,373,900 with 3 years remaining...sent to Orlando who need a big

Ron Artest 7,400,000 with 2 years remaining sent to washington

Dominic mcguire 427,163 with 3 years left sent to Sacramento
Keyon Dooling 3,596,000 with 1 year left to sacramento
maurice Evans 1,740,000 with 1 year sent to sacramento

Sacramento gets young players with upside who have 1 year left on their contract that they can not resign to clear up cap space to go along with the cap space they have from Bibby.
washington gets Artest for essentially Etan.
Orlando gets the big they need for keyon dooling and mo evans.

Substitutions can be made. JJ redick or Pat garrity can still be included in a way that makes the numbers work. Orlandos got alot of expirings

[fishercob]

Nice move by the Hawks in the short term. I wonder if Bibby's salary precludes them from keeping any of their youngs like Childress.

This deal shouldn't make Ernie any more or less motivated to make a deal. If I were Ernie, I'd be quietly shopping Chuck Young -- perhaps to see if I could package him with Songaila for a better fitting vet or some salary relief.

[nate33]

I've been saying people are being sold for almost nothing. The key factor is expirings. I've been pushing the idea of trading for artest with sacramento. I really do feel that Artest is on the market as well. All the players who have been rumoured to be on the move or on the trading block have been moved.
The trade i tried on espn trade machine was :

Etan Thomas 6,373,900 with 3 years remaining...sent to Orlando who need a big

Ron Artest 7,400,000 with 2 years remaining sent to washington

Dominic mcguire 427,163 with 3 years left sent to Sacramento
Keyon Dooling 3,596,000 with 1 year left to sacramento
maurice Evans 1,740,000 with 1 year sent to sacramento

Sacramento gets young players with upside who have 1 year left on their contract that they can not resign to clear up cap space to go along with the cap space they have from Bibby.
washington gets Artest for essentially Etan.
Orlando gets the big they need for keyon dooling and mo evans.

Substitutions can be made. JJ redick or Pat garrity can still be included in a way that makes the numbers work. Orlandos got alot of expirings

Artest is going to opt out. Sacramento can get the equivalent of expiring contracts by simply doing nothing. There is no motivation for them to do this trade. Surely, they can do better.

If Orlando would trade us expirings for Etan, I'd be all over it. My guess is that Ernie has already made the proposal and Orlando has declined. I wouldn't be surprised if he offered to throw in the Memphis pick and they still declined.

I'm not too worried about this trade. We currently have a better record than Atlanta despite Butler missing a bunch of games. Atlanta is going to add Bibby. We're going to add Arenas. We win.

[Bickerstaff]

Which of the players currently on the block should the Wiz be going after? And bear in mind that Jamison would probably have to part of the deal. No one's giving up anything for Etan or Songaila. The only attractive assets Washington has are Butler, Jamison's huge expiring contract, Blatche, Brendan, and maybe the rookies. Washington's gotta give up at least one person from that group to make a big trade. And I'm really not sure the rookies are at all coveted by the rest of the league.

[newslowsad]

I've got to think that Nick Young + Songaila + Memphis pick can get us a solid vet scoring presence.

[Soup's Uncle]

Artest isnt coming here...EG and Pollen are all about character, and that dude's crazy

[bulletproof_32]

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[Ruzious]

Great move by Atlanta. I think Bibby will be rejuvenated there - with all the athletic players Atl has. Not a bad move by Sac, but I'm surprised they didn't hold out for Law or a 1st round pick.

I'm glad Cleveland didn't get Bibby.

[jholmbe1]

Artest isnt coming here...EG and Pollen are all about character, and that dude's crazy

Agreed. On top of that, I don't really see where Artest would fit in here. Would you put Butler at SG? We are pretty solid at SF with Butler and Blatche, I don't see any chance of us trading for a position we don't need, especially when the player (artest) is a cancer.