Updated Dallas, NJ, Portland trade - No Stack, George, Frye

[SabasRevenge!]

New New Jersey, Dallas, Portland trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=24~429~2982~992~2382~998~841~2768~2015~682&teams=22~6~22~17~22~17~17~17~17~6&te=&cash=

Dallas Trades
Devin Harris
Jason Terry
Trenton Hassell
Maurice Ager
Desagana Diop
'08 1st round pick

Dallas Receives
Jason Kidd
Joel Pryzbilla

Why for Dallas: They get the guy they want in Kidd without having to trade Stackhouse or worry about Devan George's Bird rights. They pick up Pryzbilla to pair with Dampier at C, making up for the loss of Diop.


New Jersey Trades
Jason Kidd
Malik Allen

New Jersey Receives
Jason Terry
Travis Outlaw
Jarrett Jack
Desagana Diop
Trenton Hassell

Why for New Jersey: New Jersey gets an extra first round draft pick in the next two drafts plus a very talented young player with a great contract in Outlaw. If they can trade Carter as well, they suddenly have a young, exciting team, multiple draft picks and some pieces (Outlaw, Jefferson, Williams, Williams, Boone, Jack) to build around.


Portland Trades
Travis Outlaw
Jarrett Jack
Joel Pryzbilla
'09 1st round pick
'08 2nd round pick

Portland Receives
Devin Harris
Malik Allen

Why for Portland: Losing Outlaw hurts, but Portland is able to secure the last piece of a very solid, young starting rotation. You can't get something for nothing, plus Portland doesn't lose Frye and sheds Pryzbilla's contract, allowing them to keep cap space in '09.

[Yadadimean]

no.

[Pattycakes]

no.

[tucson]

no.

+2

[Fitz303]

Blazers trade:
Jack
Outlaw
Frye
Raef

Blazers Receive:
Harris
Bass
Hassell
Stackhouse

Dallas trades:
Diop
Stakhouse
Harris
Bass
Hassell
1st rd pick

Dallas Receives:
Kidd
Wright

NJ Trades:
Kidd
Wright

NJ Receives:
Jack
Frye
Outlaw
Raef
Diop
Mavs 1st rd pick

Works in the trade checker. Still dont want to give up outlaw but if they would be willing to trade stack with stack being alright coming here, it wouldnt be too bad of an idea. I believe Terry works in place of Stack as well, but im not so sure they trade Terry AND Harris while only getting kidd back

[jeff1624]

No (from a nets fan)

[Mr Odd]

No to the first as a Blazers fan.

No to the 2nd if im a Nets fan.

[Goldbum]

Yes... I do this as a Blazerfan, but make it an 2010 first round pick . This is a ballsey move but it sets us up nicely for the future. There are a ton of wings available in this draft, Budinger, Batum, Gallinari, ect or a nice back up center could be had like Hibbert or Thabeet ect ect... With a PG like Harris on board we are set at all 5 positions and he and Oden turn the worst fast breaking team in the league into a very good one. We become a better defensive team and a more efficient offensive team. Harris adresses our biggest weakness and turns it into a strength. I hate to give up Joel, but with Oden on board we don't need another center on the team of Joel's caliber. Frye is adequate as a backup or we could draft another one.

[BlackMamba]

oh man, the 2nd trade isn't bad, but the 1st one the mavs get torn apart.

[541Blaza]

no +10

[Goldbum]

I'd be interested in hearing some more reasons why other PDX fans are "no+ whatever" on the first trade.

[valleyman33]

I'd be interested in hearing some more reasons why other PDX fans are "no+ whatever" on the first trade.

1 - Give away Priz for no good reason. He has a reasonable contract, heart, and IMO the perfect BU to Oden next year.
2 - Give up 3 players and draft picks for Harris, too much... I don't think he's an all star.
3 - I have softened my stance on giving up Outlaw. Outaw, Jack and draft picks would be a fair trade for Harris.

[Yadadimean]

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1 - Give away Priz for no good reason. He has a reasonable contract, heart, and IMO the perfect BU to Oden next year.
2 - Give up 3 players and draft picks for Harris, too much... I don't think he's an all star.
3 - I have softened my stance on giving up Outlaw. Outaw, Jack and draft picks would be a fair trade for Harris.

^^^^and there you have it.

The biggest point to me is that that package is entirely too large to give up for Harris. I like Harris and would love to have him in Portland but anything outside of Outlaw,Jack/Frye and a 2010 1 st pick and our 2nds is just too much to pay for Harris and I think that is a pretty sizable package.

[SabasRevenge!]

As much as I like Joel, I'd rather see him leave than Channing. Channing is on a rookie scale contract; Joel's contract is a year longer than Channing's, ending at $7.4 million (33yo), IMO that's overpaying for 10-15 mpg. If we're looking for cap space in '09, Joel's contract is a logical one to move.

Pryzbilla has proven to be injury prone over the past few years and he can't get the ball in the bucket. I like his toughness and defense as well as his leadership and presence on our squad, but aren't those qualities Greg Oden can bring?

I prefer Channing's youth and ability to spread the floor. He has preformed playing out of position this year and he'll be an excellent piece to keep the middle unclogged when Oden is out there.

When will we have a chance to add a proven, playoff tested PG who plays arguably the best perimeter defense in the league, can score, and is about the same age as our young core? Sure, we can hope to get a guy in the draft, but that's a gamble and who knows how long until or if he'll be a consistent top-10 NBA PG? Who, besides Harris and some obvious untouchables, fits that bill?

You're just not going to get that type of talent for spare parts. It's going to hurt to bring a guy like that in, but IMO it is a gamble we have to take, given the opportunity.

Maybe it doesn't work for NJ, maybe it doesn't work for DAL, but from a POR perspective I say yes.

[valleyman33]

IMO Harris is a good point guard, and would look good in a Blazer Uni, but you have to wonder if he is so good, as a lot of people here believe, why is his current team giving him up for a 34 year old point guard. I've never believed this was a wise trade, in any of it's differnt forms, for anyone except NJ. I still feel that way. As much as I don't care for the Mavericks, this is really not a great deal for them. Having said that, if this trade goes thru, it will be just another strange trade or flub by Cuban and company. This is the team that let Nash walk, if they had kept him, would they feel they need this trade now? What about letting Antawn Jamison go?
I also think if this goes down, NJ would would want to keep Harris.

[JD45]

IMO Harris is a good point guard, and would look good in a Blazer Uni, but you have to wonder if he is so good, as a lot of people here believe, why is his current team giving him up for a 34 year old point guard. I've never believed this was a wise trade, in any of it's differnt forms, for anyone except NJ. I still feel that way. As much as I don't care for the Mavericks, this is really not a great deal for them. Having said that, if this trade goes thru, it will be just another strange trade or flub by Cuban and company. This is the team that let Nash walk, if they had kept him, would they feel they need this trade now? What about letting Antawn Jamison go?
I also think if this goes down, NJ would would want to keep Harris.

Reportedly this deal was all Cuban, not Donnie Nelson or Avery Johnson. I think Cuban desperately wants a championship and he panicked when he saw the Lakers get Gasol for nothing and the Suns get Shaq, when he wanted him. Cuban got seduced by a great resume and made a very stupid move.

Or maybe someone convinced him he needed to make a deal like the Gasol deal, but he didn't realize he needed to be on the Lakers end, not the Memphis end of the deal.

[Tim Lehrbach]

As much as I like Joel, I'd rather see him leave than Channing. Channing is on a rookie scale contract; Joel's contract is a year longer than Channing's, ending at $7.4 million (33yo), IMO that's overpaying for 10-15 mpg. If we're looking for cap space in '09, Joel's contract is a logical one to move.

Not that I disagree with anything you've written about Joel vs. Frye, but it's worth considering that Frye might well be making more money in 2009-2010 than Przybilla will be. For cap purposes, dumping Przybilla is the logical one to move only if we're assuming Frye will be allowed to walk that summer or used in a sign-and-trade, or somehow retained at a bargain rate.

[Wizenheimer]

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Not that I disagree with anything you've written about Joel vs. Frye, but it's worth considering that Frye might well be making more money in 2009-2010 than Przybilla will be. For cap purposes, dumping Przybilla is the logical one to move only if we're assuming Frye will be allowed to walk that summer or used in a sign-and-trade, or somehow retained at a bargain rate.

as far as the bargain rate, this summer would be the time for portland to sign frye, if that's what they intend to do. Assuming of course that Frye is willind to sign a contract for 3-4 million/year.

If these latest trades illustrate anything, it's that having several players signed to contracts below the MLE can be good trade leverage, especially if they are near-expiring contracts.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I doubt Frye will sign a long-term contract this summer. He'd be looking at Travis Outlaw money, when he could be shooting much higher down the road.

[Wizenheimer]

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as far as the bargain rate, this summer would be the time for portland to sign frye, if that's what they intend to do. Assuming of course that Frye is willind to sign a contract for 3-4 million/year.

If these latest trades illustrate anything, it's that having several players signed to contracts below the MLE can be good trade leverage, especially if they are near-expiring contracts.

6.5 points and 4.5 rebounds might not fetch more then 3-4 million a year. Portland will need to calcualte if he's worth keeping because if he becomes RFA at the end of next season, his cap-hold will be around 9.5 million. Portland would have to renounce their rights to him then if they want to play in the free agent market.