Bibby dealt to Atl (pick?)

[Mr. Sun]

TE and ATL pick for Artest and Garcia...

Glad you are not the SUNS GM.

[TASTIC]

^You seriously think we wouldn't win it all with

Shaq
Amare
Hill
Bell
Nash
----
Artest
Barbosa
Diaw
Skinner
Garcia
DJ

??

Artest performs well, S&T him for smaller contracts/picks, re-sign Garcia to be the big guard to put next to Barbosa. Done. You think Shaq/Nash/Amare/Hill couldn't keep Artest in check?

[-SDU-]

^ i would trade the TE and ATL pick for artest and garcia in a heartbeat bro

wont happen tho

if this trade goes through today, how funny would it be, first game after the allstar break...... atlanta v sacramento

haha

[Mr. Sun]

^^ I agree with your logic there, its just you have to also prepare for the next level (post-Shaqless). A lottery opportunity does not happen often for a winning team.

[TASTIC]

^Gotta remember post-Shaq means $20m off the books...Garcia, give him the MLE and watch him continue Bell's role, but with the ability to play point too....

[-SDU-]

man our cap situation when shaq goes is gonna be sweet, wade kobe bron paul williams etc will all be available around then to add to amare and we keep on winning, no need to rebuild.....

[Mr. Sun]

We can use Shaqs cap space to wrap-up our #1 pick.

[Mr. Sun]

man our cap situation when shaq goes is gonna be sweet, wade kobe bron paul williams etc will all be available around then to add to amare and we keep on winning, no need to rebuild.....

They won't help the SUNS unless we can first surround them with new talent.

[ma_falaa_50]

I agree with Mr. suns here. I think shaq and steve come off the books at teh same time. As far as Bibby going to atlanta we hsall see how it goes because a lot of things come into play. If you look at Bibby's history and his career Sactown is the only team that he has played for that has a winning record. The truth to the matter is, Atlanta doesnt need a winning record they just need to be in the top 8 by season's end. They are there now and I dont think it really is going to change. Lets not lose hope DJ was picked last and he is part of the rotation now. lets not forget LB was pick number 29 and Steve was 14 so anything could happen. the suns just need to do their homework. Getting drafted in the top 14 doesnt really mean anything much.

[TASTIC]

Justin Williams and Dahntay Jones to be released...wouldn't mind either/both here...

[shrink]

I think ATL was going to make the play-offs even before this trade. They are the ninth seed right now, and are only two games behind Philly and NJ, two teams desperate to trade their best players so they can tank. ATL, with Horford and Law, were probably only going to get better in the second half anyway.

I think you could use a productive, smart, cheap SF. ATL pick for Ryan Gomes. He's RFA.

[Arles]

I wouldn't mind Gomes, but let's wait and see. With NJ keeping Kidd and Philly playing better, nothing is for sure. I don't see the ATL pick having less value on draft day than it does now, so there's no reason to move it for a player that won't help much this season.

[Sun Scorched]

man our cap situation when shaq goes is gonna be sweet, wade kobe bron paul williams etc will all be available around then to add to amare and we keep on winning, no need to rebuild.....

Can you imagine LeBron and Amare on the same team? Ha!

Still, I am actually happy we wont have to deal with a new 4 year deal for Shawn at 17 million a year. If he agreed to that and not to a max deal we would have had him for three more years and 51 million more than with Shaq and our current situation.

[Mr. Sun]

Still, I am actually happy we wont have to deal with a new 4 year deal for Shawn at 17 million a year. If he agreed to that and not to a max deal we would have had him for three more years and 51 million more than with Shaq and our current situation.

Would you rather have Marion's max contract (you know he is gonna demand max money to feel appreciated) or would you rather have someone like Predrag Stojakovic and his contract?

There really is no value in Marion because of his $$$ demand. He isn't dominant like Shaq to make shelling out the $$$ payoff.

[KJ7]

Awesome deal for the Hawks. Absolute shocker for the Kings. I can't believe they couldn't get more than that for Bibby espec from someone like the Cavs.

Just quietly, lets go after AJ with the TE and a 2nd rounder. I wouldn't mind a vet PG here. I'm getting increasingly frustrated with LB running the point. Plus he would bring a hard-nosed edge to hassling those quick PG's which have all of a sudden started hurting us. We're just gonna throw away our 2nd rounder anyway (if we even have it still).

[DePastino]

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Glad you are not the SUNS GM.

I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

If Artest could somehow be pried away from Sacto, we'd have a genuine shot at winning it all.

But it's a pipe dream.

[eastsidecrossover]

Sure is a pipe dream. Our team would be so different with Artest. I was surprised the kings did not get Josh Smith in the trade.

Bibby is good, and should lead them to a playoff birth, but that is it I think.

[shrink]

There's been some discussion on the Wolves board about this one:

PHO GETS: Ryan Gomes, Marko Jaric, Chris Richard, Gerald Green
MIN GETS: ATL PICK (#18ish), Boris Diaw, Alando Tucker, Piatkowski

PHO gets huge financial gain, slips under the lux, moves Diaw's long-term contract, and actually increases their production and play-off chances.

Gomes is 16 PPG, 7 RPG since joining the starting line-up.

Diaw is a worse contract than Jaric:
Jaric PTS: 8.5 REB: 3.0 AST: 4.3 PER: 11.67 -- $24 mil for 3.5 years
Diaw PTS: 8.1 REB: 4.5 AST: 4.0 PER: 11.03 -- $40 mil for 4.5 years

Jaric and Gomes are good passers, can defend, and they hustle, and I think both would be good additions to PHO. Chris Richard is a cheap young big. Gerald Green hasn't shown much, but if any team can harness some of his athletic potential, its PHO and Steve Nash.

Change in Team Outlook: +13.8 ppg, +6.7 rpg, and +2.4 apg.

PHO makes the NBA's minimum roster requirements

The main reason here though is that PHO saves a lot of money.

Year 1: SAVE $2.5. x2 (for lux + just under the lux +2) = SAVE $7.0
Year 2: SAVE $4.7 x2 (for just under the lux + 2) = SAVE $11.0
Year 3: SAVE $4.4 x2 (for just under the lux + 2) = SAVE $11.0
Year 4: SAVE $4.9
Year 5: Save $11.4
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TOTAL SAVINGS = $45 mil

Not bad for a pick and a prospect, and improving your chances in the play-offs with a 14 PPG, 7 RPG increase in current production.

For MIN, they gamble on Diaw, and the salary increase this year should slide them in just under the lux. Next year, they pay Diaw, Tucker and the pick, but they don't have to pay Gomes or Chris Richard. It may still be tight. The deal costs them $27 mil more, but some of that salary they don't mind paying $6.5 for the pick, $5 for Tucker for four years each. The deal may be cost-prohibitive.

[rsavaj]

There's been some discussion on the Wolves board about this one:

PHO GETS: Ryan Gomes, Marko Jaric, Chris Richard, Gerald Green
MIN GETS: ATL PICK (#18ish), Boris Diaw, Alando Tucker, Piatkowski

PHO gets huge financial gain, slips under the lux, moves Diaw's long-term contract, and actually increases their production and play-off chances.

Gomes is 16 PPG, 7 RPG since joining the starting line-up.

Diaw is a worse contract than Jaric:
Jaric PTS: 8.5 REB: 3.0 AST: 4.3 PER: 11.67 -- $24 mil for 3.5 years
Diaw PTS: 8.1 REB: 4.5 AST: 4.0 PER: 11.03 -- $40 mil for 4.5 years

Jaric and Gomes are good passers, can defend, and they hustle, and I think both would be good additions to PHO. Chris Richard is a cheap young big. Gerald Green hasn't shown much, but if any team can harness some of his athletic potential, its PHO and Steve Nash.

Change in Team Outlook: +13.8 ppg, +6.7 rpg, and +2.4 apg.

PHO makes the NBA's minimum roster requirements

The main reason here though is that PHO saves a lot of money.

Year 1: SAVE $2.5. x2 (for lux + just under the lux +2) = SAVE $7.0
Year 2: SAVE $4.7 x2 (for just under the lux + 2) = SAVE $11.0
Year 3: SAVE $4.4 x2 (for just under the lux + 2) = SAVE $11.0
Year 4: SAVE $4.9
Year 5: Save $11.4
---------------------------------
TOTAL SAVINGS = $45 mil

Not bad for a pick and a prospect, and improving your chances in the play-offs with a 14 PPG, 7 RPG increase in current production.

For MIN, they gamble on Diaw, and the salary increase this year should slide them in just under the lux. Next year, they pay Diaw, Tucker and the pick, but they don't have to pay Gomes or Chris Richard. It may still be tight. The deal costs them $27 mil more, but some of that salary they don't mind paying $6.5 for the pick, $5 for Tucker for four years each. The deal may be cost-prohibitive.

Not a bad deal(I really love Gomes), but I think Diaw is the best player being traded, and he's shown that he can still be an extremely effective player(his last game vs Dallas)....the problem is that he's incredibly, ridiculously inconsistent.

[shrink]

Not a bad deal(I really love Gomes), but I think Diaw is the best player being traded, and he's shown that he can still be an extremely effective player(his last game vs Dallas)....the problem is that he's incredibly, ridiculously inconsistent.

.. and expensive. I agree with you, and it was the differing valuations of Diaw vs his contract that made for discussion among Wolves fans. Some think he could be the new starter, others think he's too much risk for $9 mil/year for that long. Personally, I shrug.

I have to admit that I was surprised though to see how similar the production of Jaric and Diaw has been this year.