Yi and all those other rookies vs the sophomores thread.

[europa]

Horford >>> The rest of this draft class (Aside from maybe Oden, but we'll see about that)

So far that's the case. I'm not as down on Durant as you and I still believe in his potential. And I believe Conley could be a sensational player before it's all said and done. But I posted a few times and so did a few others that in plenty other years Horford would have been the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. He just happened to come out in the same year as Oden and Durant which pushed him down. But this guy in my opinion was the type of player who could go No. 1 in many other drafts and the Hawks got him at three. That's one helluva bargain.

[L&H_05]

Yi was obviously out of his element last night. This was basically a streetball game with very good players. Yi is not comfortable playing that kind of basketball. Some rookies look really good in this streetball game, but in actual basketball games, they suck. This game does not mean anything.

True..

But I just wonder if YI has the mentality to reach his potential ?? I know he's a rook, but just certain instances when I watch the guy screams passive to me...

He's got great skills and a nice upside.. However, I just can't but help to think down the road this guy will be averaging 13 points and 7 rebounds when he should be 22 and 10ish IMO...

[Stopshere2]

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True..

But I just wonder if YI has the mentality to reach his potential ?? I know he's a rook, but just certain instances when I watch the guy screams passive to me...

He's got great skills and a nice upside.. However, I just can't but help to think down the road this guy will be averaging 13 points and 7 rebounds when he should be 22 and 10ish IMO...

To me, he's very Channing Frye in the way he's been built up. Lots of big wraps coming in and in the early season. Yi's smoother and more athletic, but could just as easily end up an underpowered jumpshooter who never boards and gets inside like people thought he would.

[europa]

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True..

But I just wonder if YI has the mentality to reach his potential ?? I know he's a rook, but just certain instances when I watch the guy screams passive to me...

He's a perimeter-based PF. There aren't many guys with that skill set who look dominant and forceful. If you watch him play, you can see he isn't really passive. He isn't scared to attack the basket. He's just not strong enough to finish and as a result he won't attack the basket frequently despite the fact he's athletic and quick enough to do so. I think the pre-draft reports on him offensively were on the mark - he isn't comfortable playing against contact and so he'll drift to the perimeter primarily as a result. That's spot on. What is yet to be determined is whether that will change as he strengthens his upper body.

There are definitely times I watch him and I think he could develop into a more skilled Villanueva who flashes brilliance but never truly reaches it consistently. And then there are times I see the comparisons to Dirk and I think maybe the Bucks have something special on their hands. I've always thought the truth was somewhere in the middle and I still believe that ultimately that's where he'll end up. I don't think he'll be a superstar and I'm not sure he'll be a consistent All-Star but I do think he'll be a good player in this league and someone you can win with.

[wireonfire]

Yi wants to play inside, if you watch him closely. But right now he is not very good at it, partly due to his weak hands, weak upper body, poor finishing ability. We'll see in a year or two whether he'll be able to be a force inside. Remember Yao once said that Yi's game reminded him Amare (because he loved to score inside and dunk on people when he was in the CBA.)

He has some tenacity in him so I am not worried about that. I am more concerned about his lack of ability to create shots and his butter fingers.

[Ayt]

Horford >>> The rest of this draft class (Aside from maybe Oden, but we'll see about that)

Its early. Horford has been very good, but if you look at the top picks, who else had the experience and NBA ready body that Horford had?

Like most drafts, we won't know who the best players really are for a few years.

[El Duderino]

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Its early. Horford has been very good, but if you look at the top picks, who else had the experience and NBA ready body that Horford had?

Like most drafts, we won't know who the best players really are for a few years.

One great thing about Horford and why i thought he'd be a great pro is he's a ferocious rebounder, he goes and gets rebounds vs many guys who get rebounds that come to them. I see Horford for years being in that top 5-6 area of rebounds per game, a 12 per game guy or even more.

Yi was obviously out of his element last night. This was basically a streetball game with very good players. Yi is not comfortable playing that kind of basketball. Some rookies look really good in this streetball game, but in actual basketball games, they suck. This game does not mean anything.

I couldn't watch the game, to painful on my senses watching these type of games. I checked in a few time, but just had to change the channel because it was so ugly to watch.

[Ayt]

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One great thing about Horford and why i thought he'd be a great pro is he's a ferocious rebounder, he goes and gets rebounds vs many guys who get rebounds that come to them. I see Horford for years being in that top 5-6 area of rebounds per game, a 12 per game guy or even more.

He's indeed an outstanding rebounder. His offense, however, needs a lot of work.

But there are so many things that still need to play out. Oden hasn't played yet. Durant is being asked to carry the load as the youngest player in the league. I thought Conley was the best PG to come out since Paul, but he only played one year of college ball. Yi obviously needs time to adapt coming from China. Noah needs to be on a team that actually plays young players because from what I've seen from him he could be just as good as Horford is right now. The list goes on.

[wichmae]

Horford was the most NBA ready rookie coming out of this class no wonder he is doing the best. Problem is Horford isnt really ever going to grow much more out of his game than he is right now. His ceiling is much lower than other players in this class.

[europa]

Horford was the most NBA ready rookie coming out of this class no wonder he is doing the best. Problem is Horford isnt really ever going to grow much more out of his game than he is right now. His ceiling is much lower than other players in this class.

I disagree with this because I think his offensive game can get much better. Combine that with his terrific rebounding potential and good defense and he has consistent All-Star potential in my opinion. I think he's going to be a very very good player in this league.

[xTitan]

Horford was the most NBA ready rookie coming out of this class no wonder he is doing the best. Problem is Horford isnt really ever going to grow much more out of his game than he is right now. His ceiling is much lower than other players in this class.

You have been onfire the past couple days with your posts.....Horford was far and away the most ready player....even more ready than Oden.

[blkout]

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Uh your wrong sure he complimented on everyone but when EJ asked him in this game who who would you start a franchise with he said Roy, Horford, and Yi....liked discussed. He said that the other players were good but didn't have multiple skills like those 3. Barkley said he likes KD but he feels as if he is to one dimensional which I kind of agree he is a scorer right now and nothing more, and he also talked about Bargnani he said Yi is better because Yi is more athletic and has the same jump shooting ability as him....of course Gibson is a good shooter but what else (I knew about him since his freshmen year at Texas)...I don't know what I'm saying anymore....why are you hating on Yi you know what we have allot of negative people on this board.

Uh... how much do you want to exaggerate it. He was asked who he'd pick, at first he said he wanted to take two people, after a while he named Brandon Roy... then said he'd take Roy + Horford and have a good team for the future. The Yi thing was an afterthought, stop making it out like Charles Barkley (who lets face it, gets ripped by people constantly for saying stupid things) thinks Yi is a franchise player. Facts are facts, if Yi wasn't Chinese no one would care.

He didn't say Bargnani had the same jump shooting ability, he said he was more athletic. Stop making things up. No one is "hating" on Yi, I just can't stand fans exaggerating small pointless things and turning them into huge deals.

[howe070523]

if Yi wasn't Chinese no one would care.

Thats way off.
Fact is, given Yi's talent, if he wasnt Chinese he would have drafted ealier and there wouldnt be those ridiculous age issues.

Anything else?

[blkout]

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Thats way off.

Horse **** . How many votes did he get for the all-star game again? Why is he the most untradeable player on the Bucks again?

Answers:

450,515 as a write in
Because of the financial opportunities he brings due to his nationality.

If his name was Yiroslav Jianolov from Russia or Yilbert Jianson of North Dakota neither of these would be the case. He's a good player, aside from Thornton he was probably the best pick at #6 but I can't take the exaggerating.

[howe070523]

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Horse **** . How many votes did he get for the all-star game again? Why is he the most untradeable player on the Bucks again?

Answers:

450,515 as a write in
Because of the financial opportunities he brings due to his nationality.

If his name was Yiroslav Jianolov from Russia or Yilbert Jianson of North Dakota neither of these would be the case. He's a good player, aside from Thornton he was probably the best pick at #6 but I can't take the exaggerating.

Save that crap for yourself.
Its all about Yi being a player.
He wouldnt even be in the Rookie chanllenge if he wasnt a good player.
Theres also another player named Sun Yue who was drafted by Lakers at rd2 30. They didnt even sign him.

Remember WZZ? Bateer? What were their all-star votes?
Why is he the most untradable player on the Bucks? Potential and Talent. Then its "He's from china" , "Bucks' no.1 draft pick hasnt lived up to teh hype" and "This team sucks from top to toe."

[blkout]

Hi, I'm your sanity and objectivity. You left me at home today, but I will be waiting for you to come and pick me up at any time.

[buckybadgerfan]

Yea

Couldnt believe Barkley said Yi was his top 3 choice either. Maybe it's because he hasn't seen a 7footer run so fast or shoot so smoothly.

Then again Barkley did say during the 3pt challenge that he didnt ever want to hear things like "the best shooting Big man ever". Meaning Barkley believes Bigs should learn to dominate inside.

Embarrassing how Barkley gives Yi a bit of love then Yi gets swatted and then blows two attempted dunks in the closing minutes.

NEway, it's just a streetball game. Some guys live for unstructured
Me-ball environment. Yi obviously looked lost but he'll learn. He's quick to adapt.

Horford was a monster. He very well should since he's been playing inside all season long. Can't expect Yi to play like horford when he's been groomed by the Bucks to work from the perimeter.

[kebzach]

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I disagree with this because I think his offensive game can get much better. Combine that with his terrific rebounding potential and good defense and he has consistent All-Star potential in my opinion. I think he's going to be a very very good player in this league.

I see Al as an upgraded version of David Lee or Paul Milsap. Maybe not an all-star level player though.