Bibby to Atlanta for Shelden Williams and filler

[SacTown Kings]

Sorry I am sure this has been discussed already but I am too lazy to go back though 14 pages. What is this talk about this meaning Justin is gone? Why? When I first heard about this trade I thought it was great. I was a big fan of Sheldon back in college. He needed out of Atlanta to develop and I think Sacramento is a great place for him. His rookie year has pulled down 5.4 rebounds in less than 20 minutes a game, that's not too bad. However, this trade all of a sudden becomes just ok if it means we lose J Will. Can someone briefly explain why. Is it because we have too many players and can't cut anybody from Atlanta? Can we cut Jones instead of JWill?

[dozencousins]

we waived both williams and jones nba rules state that you are only allowed to have so many players on your roster and they were waived to create the room on the roster for the deal to happen .
though jones may not be brought back i expect j.williams to comeback after the allstar break i hope this helps ?

[UKF]

At first I thought it was stupid that they would get rid of Justin and Dahntay, but they had to get rid of two players to get it done.

They had to get rid of two guys, but I think they could get Justin back. Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue will be added to a backcourt that is already full but to get the trade done we had to take them. I wouldnt be surprised if in th next few days we dropped Lue or Smith and got J.Williams back.

I could be totally wrong...It would have been fun having two big men with the last name Williams. haha

[Danimal1730]

I think there are a number of reasons for this trade. The first is that Bibby seems to succeed at the expense of martin. Bibby's best games conspicuously coincide with Martin's worst. Secondly, if you compare Bibby's and Beno's numbers this year, they are strikingly similar. I truly believe that Martin was the reason this trade happened.

Another reason has been well documented on this forum. There are not enough guard minutes. With this trade there are more minutes for Beno, Garcia, Salmons and Douby. This is important especially for douby, because it allows us to decide whether douby has a future on this team or not.

If this trade is the only one that happens it is not a good trade. However itf it is the first of many, than it could be excellent. My two hopes for the next week is that the 3 pieces we got can be spined off for seconds and trade exceptions, and that Kenny and Ron can be traded for expiring. I really think that Salmons is the future at small forward.

1) Udrih/ Combo of Douby and Garcia
2) Martin/ Douby
3) Salmons/ Garcia
4) Williams/ Moore
5) Miller/ Hawes

PS- Remeber that the players we just recieved can not be packaged together for 60 days (or well after the trade deadline), unless they are traded within 24 hrs, than they are considered part of this trade.

[Ballings7]

I also think it is a possibility we could get Justin back. But also there's hope in there, too.

[SacKingZZZ]

You know I really think Justin may do better to go down to the D-league and get some more experience. His development has been stunted in Sac IMO.

[Ballings7]

His development has been stunted in Sac IMO.

As feared before the season as the likelyhood :/

Signing Mikki Moore, as a whole, I just really didn't like. I'd prefer to see him traded.

Should of went younger and just played Kenny there as the veteran. Only would of helped wth his value and himself, too.

You know I really think Justin may do better to go down to the D-league and get some more experience.

Good point, but we should send him down then .

[Twinkie defense]

For anyone who thinks Justin Williams is coming back to the Kings: If the Kings wanted to keep Justin Williams, why wouldn't they have waived Tyronn Lue or one of the other Hawks they acquired, or another King, instead? Answer: because Justin Williams is the guy they DON'T WANT. He's not coming back.

SacKingZZZ, it doesn't matter whether or not his contract is guaranteed, that just means the Kings have to pay the remainder of his contract (which is not much by NBA standards), not that they have to keep him.

[SacKingZZZ]

I am pretty sure the rule is that you have to create the space BEFORE the trade, therefore Justin and Dahntay were waived. Well, we will see what happens with Justin and whether or not he is brought back. If they didn't want him why didn't they just waive him after that rape scandal?

[RIPskaterdude]

For anyone who thinks Justin Williams is coming back to the Kings: If the Kings wanted to keep Justin Williams, why wouldn't they have waived Tyronn Lue or one of the other Hawks they acquired, or another King, instead? Answer: because Justin Williams is the guy they DON'T WANT. He's not coming back.

SacKingZZZ, it doesn't matter whether or not his contract is guaranteed, that just means the Kings have to pay the remainder of his contract (which is not much by NBA standards), not that they have to keep him.

Someone said it already (and I don't know the exact rule) but you can't waive a player you just received in a trade to make room for the 15 man roster. The Kings can, however, waive them after it is approved by the league and then re-sign Williams after he clears the waivers.

Just to let you guys know why I'm excited about S. Williams...

Williams, the Hawks

[Hoops23]

Finally we witness the trade value of Mike Bibby.
For those who think it

[Twinkie defense]

Hoops, Hawks get more than a few months from Bibby - they get a year and a few months. Then they have dibs on re-signing him (at a reduced rate?), if they want, or they can trade him as an expiring contract or use the cap space from his departure for other things. And I don't think Shelden Williams had much value for the Hawks. Maybe he'll do well for the Kings, but he'd pretty much fallen out of the Hawks' rotation.

Not to say it was a bad deal for the Kings. Personally I think they need to part ways with their older guys and stockpile young guys, picks, and cap space in order to make another run, because in the loaded West the time for the Kings is not now.

[Ballings7]

I don't think they didn't want him. It just came down to that decision because of money and contract situation, and the need to have roster space to complete the trade.

Also, just because one, two of the veterans weren't waived yet a day after the trade doesn't mean Justin's ruled out to be brought back. Also have to take into account physicals have to be completed. That's way too quick of a turn around to out of a sudden expect waiving. Also I think there may be a waiting period on waivers.

I don't know if he'll be back, I prefer so. If not, I'd hope he gets a better, larger oppurtunity on a team somewhere. Even in the D-League.

Signing with the Hawks or Suns, as two examples, would put him in the situation like he was with us this season.

or another King, instead?

Nobody else is fitting to be waived either because of contract size, and to a lesser degree, quality of player.

Obviously if SAR, or KT, Or Moore had smaller contracts, Justin would be kept over one of them. Should be, at least.

[Smills91]

Sounds like the Kings will pick Justin Williams back up if he clears waivers.

[HMFFL]

Hoops, Hawks get more than a few months from Bibby - they get a year and a few months. Then they have dibs on re-signing him (at a reduced rate?), if they want, or they can trade him as an expiring contract or use the cap space from his departure for other things. And I don't think Shelden Williams had much value for the Hawks. Maybe he'll do well for the Kings, but he'd pretty much fallen out of the Hawks' rotation.

Your basically right on. Shelden didn't even come off the Hawks bench, but that's mostly thanks to Coach Woodson, and Shelden being overly aggressive. He needs to work on his foot speed and coordination. I wish Shelden the best, but this should become a new beginning for him, and with consist minutes he might be able to make a name for himself.

Atlanta moved a bunch of players that didn't have a future with the team. On the other hand I hate seeing Anthony Johnson go and now Atlanta has even a thinner bench.

[PaKwAn]

I have a question, after acquiring Lue, Johnson and Wright can they be traded within the trade deadline?

Having those guys can really help us get a better deal or picks especially those contending teams that need a point guard or a big man.

[xSABOx]

Is there any official word on who is being waived/released/bought out after the deal???

[NDaATL]

Hawks fan here, just wondering what was the cause of Bibby's reduced production in the past 2 years? Was it because of injury or something? I mean, he's only 29, was just trying to get input on this.

[Smills91]

Hawks fan here, just wondering what was the cause of Bibby's reduced production in the past 2 years? Was it because of injury or something? I mean, he's only 29, was just trying to get input on this.

Injuries.

[Mr. Kite]

What is Sacramento's cap situation now? I was under the impression that, even after dumping Bibby, the Kings would be above the cap next season due to the Kevin Martin extension.