TI: Send Gadzuric to the Mavs

[europa]

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That won't work if Hassell remains in the Kidd deal though.

He isn't. The report I saw tonight on TNT was Harris, Diop, Van Horn, Ager and 2 firsts.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Oops, sorry GAD. I hadn't read your follow-up post as I was replying to the original post. I suppose that giving us expirings/cap space is good, I just don't like giving up 3 of our prospects for the expirings in a market that I can't see of being fantastic.

Who are the 3 prospects?

How about Eddie Jones/Devean George for Gadz?

Dallas will force Devean to leave, we just cut him and he can go wherever he wants.

If Dallas could force Devean to leave, they would just include him the Kidd trade like they originally did. The reason that trade still is in limbo is because he refused to consent to be traded.

Otherwise, yeah, that would be easier, no doubt.

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You are entering MBBOT territory by now quoting your own posts.....but hey, Kohl is wearing all of us down badly this year.....

I was just quoting myself while responding to someone else though, just to point out what I already wrote.

MBBOT actually responded to one of his own posts as if someone else had posted that.

Thanks for making me remember that post of his though. One of the most hilarious things I've ever seen on here

I like the Gadz salary dump idea, but unfortunately don't see the Mavericks or the Nets (two competent organizations) letting Kohl, Ron Walter and Harris within 100 yards of the on-going Kidd deal.

Hmm.
Good point.
I had not considered that angle.

I suppose I would counter by saying that the Kidd trade remains completely intact as is, we would just be piggy-backing our trade onto it in order to get ours to work.

But you do raise another good tie-in to our organizational incompetence. You're on fire on that front lately!

[Profound23]

I know, but I have a feeling they will force Devean out of there in a trade for a bigman still.

They were planning on doing all of that to get Kidd, then using KVH in a deal for a big man..........now they will just have to reverse it.

Devean won't want to play on a team where the fans and most players, including Kidd won't want him around anymore.

[bigkurty]

Oops, sorry GAD. I hadn't read your follow-up post as I was replying to the original post. I suppose that giving us expirings/cap space is good, I just don't like giving up 3 of our prospects for the expirings in a market that I can't see of being fantastic.

None of those prospects will ever be any good anyway so I don't know why we would care. The only one who has proven to have potential to be a good role player to keep around for the future would be Ivey and with the cleared space we would have in the next 3 years from dumping Gadz, we could easily sign others just as good if not better than Ivey anyway. Hell if you really want, just sign Ivey again in the off season if you really like him that much. Hell all those guys we are trading away besides Gadz will be FA's so you could sign anyone of them again if you wanted although I think Ivey is the only one worth looking into resigning IMO and who is to say we would even do that if we want to give Sessions a chance next year.

Pull it off LH. Get on the phones and work that deal.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

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He isn't. The report I saw tonight on TNT was Harris, Diop, Van Horn, Ager and 2 firsts.

Hmm. That could be. I'm still hearing Hassell is in the deal, but I haven't seen that TNT report. Taking Hassell out of the deal makes it not work unless you make KVH's salary that much larger, which would be a bit strange, but perhaps that was something the Nets got the Mavs to agree to.

I should add that your trade doesn't accomplish anywhere close to as much in the way of salary dumping though (compared to the trade in the original post), since we'd be taking back Hassell's contract. So that wouldn't be as good for us.

[Newz]

Did you ignore the part where I specifically addressed that argument?

You could at least tell me that you just happen to disagree with the rationale I laid out there, fair enough, but you make it sound like you didn't even read that part.

Haha, I actually just saw the trade and posted before I finished reading. My bad for not finishing it up.

But I do disagree... A trade with that many players (Even if a lot of them are insignificant) probably won't happen.

I'd like to see something along those lines though, I am a big fan of Barea as a backup PG.

[schweig]

It just seems like it would be fitting to have Vernon Maxwell coming our way, and he would probably get some 43 y/o run at some point when they try to go from 7th-most ping pong balls to 6th. Van Horn might have made enough to turn down the chance, but would Mad Max? Because of his long-retired status, off-court issues in his past, and having to pay him in an attempted fix for a mistake our mgmt made, that just seems simpatico with these Bucks.

For your other points, I would be happy LK couldn't play Ivey so much. It's hard to see anyone bringing Gadz into a playoff rotation though.

Without just saying it's not realistic, with everything they're going through to get this done and bring in Kidd, would you hold it up in any way for even 5 more minutes to fit Gadz in? With those other Bucks on small, ending contracts anyway, let's just bring in a prorated Max for Gadz straight up. The only downsides are the team will then stand pat on any other moves until we can all see how Max gels with the core, and I'd still have to watch Ivey starting.

[paulpressey25]

I suppose I would counter by saying that the Kidd trade remains completely intact as is, we would just be piggy-backing our trade onto it in order to get ours to work

I can see Rod Thorn talking to Cuban....

Thorn: "Umm Mark, Larry Harris just called me....he wants to see if we need some help here with Milwaukee involvement...said he wants to package Redd and CV into this thing....."

Cuban: "****, Senator Kohl called me earlier in the day.....he told me the Bucks wanted in the deal but that Redd or Mo Williams couldn't be a part of it"

Thorn:"We both need this deal done.....forget Milwaukee...let's let those two **** do their own thing and let any calls from the "414" area code slip into voice mail"

[GrandAdmiralDan]

It just seems like it would be fitting to have Vernon Maxwell coming our way, and he would probably get some 43 y/o run at some point when they try to go from 7th-most ping pong balls to 6th. Van Horn might have made enough to turn down the chance, but would Mad Max? Because of his long-retired status, off-court issues in his past, and having to pay him in an attempted fix for a mistake our mgmt made, that just seems simpatico with these Bucks.

Hey, if Vernon Maxwell is a good post entry passer, LK will probably try to play him 25+mpg

It's hard to see anyone bringing Gadz into a playoff rotation though.

I was waiting for someone to bring that up. That's pretty vital to the trade and could be its ultimate downfall of course, no doubt.

Without just saying it's not realistic, with everything they're going through to get this done and bring in Kidd, would you hold it up in any way for even 5 more minutes to fit Gadz in?

Yeah, not a chance. Thanks for bringing that up. I should have mentioned that.

That's kind of what I meant by us needing to act quickly on this, but I should have been more specific.
However, it wouldn't need to delay the Kidd deal at all. The Mavs and Nets are not on the phone the entire time during this process. While they're waiting for the Nets to call them back, the Mavs can work out the deal with the Bucks. The Nets end remains unchanged and it would take all of 30 seconds to say to the Nets "In between our conversations, we've worked out a minor trade with the Bucks that only works if we piggy-back on the trade we've been discussing, so we're going to do that unless you'd rather we didn't." Then the Nets either say "Fine with us" or "We'd prefer you just worry about our trade at this point"

I do see your point though, and it is kind of along the same lines as the point PP25 raised.

With those other Bucks on small, ending contracts anyway, let's just bring in a prorated Max for Gadz straight up. The only downsides are the team will then stand pat on any other moves until we can all see how Max gels with the core, and I'd still have to watch Ivey starting.

Think of all the additional revenue the Bucks would get from sales of Vernon Maxwell jerseys though.
I know I'd buy one

[Bucks_Revenge]

i agre

[raferfenix]

It'd be great if we could find a way to snag Brandon Bass in a deal with the mavs, he'd be a real good fit here. If they don't include Trenton Hassell in the Nets deal, maybe we could get away with it:

Bucks trade: Dan Gadzuric, 2nd round picks
Mavs trade: Brandon Bass, Trenton Hassell


Bass has had a solid year for them, but Hassell has been completely useless. I'm sure they'd rather swap Hassell for Gadzuric than ending contracts, but it's a big question if they'd do it at the expense of Bass. I was trying to expand the deal to also include CV with some more talent coming back our way but couldn't get it to work.

They would have to think Gadz could ahve his career resucitated by playign with Kidd to at least Mikki Moore levels. If he coudl do that though i'm sure they'd value gadzuric a whole lot, as they are desperate for an athletic center behind Dampier and I doubt they could get one for Hassell alone.

[schweig]

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Think of all the additional revenue the Bucks would get from sales of Vernon Maxwell jerseys though.
I know I'd buy one

Another good point and yeah I probably would go with the team flow and get one too, instead of just sticking with the jersey of a guy who retired 35 years ago and waiting to see if Yi can be any better than any of these other guys like I am now. Unfortunately have not been able to find my old purple Terrell Brandon one.

Really it would be pretty good to see this happen in any format, and the money would just about account for Andrew's bump through half of a possible extension.

I forgot Max had to pay a woman for knowingly giving her herpes, that sounds like a good fit too at first but the team might be scared off about possibly being brought to justice themselves.

Behavioral incidents

* 1987: Due to NCAA violations, all the points he scored last two seasons in college were eliminated from the record books.
* 1994: He was charged with unlawfully carrying a weapon.
* 1994: He swung a free weight at the head of his teammate Carl Herrera, who required 30 stiches.
* 1995: In a game at Portland on February 6, he ran into the stands to punch a fan, later claiming the fan had heckled him over his wife's miscarriage. The NBA suspended him for 10 games (during which Clyde Drexler was traded for). The suspension was the 2nd longest in NBA history at the time.
* 1995: Feigning a hamstring injury, he was given a leave of absence after the 1st game of the playoffs. Maxwell later admitted he was frustrated with not playing. The incident was hyped as Maxwell being disgruntled at the team's recent acquisition of Hall-of-Fame guard Clyde Drexler. His actions led to the Rockets ending his tenure with them.
* 1997: Ordered to pay $592,000 for knowingly infecting a woman with herpes. The plaintiff was awarded a default judgment as Maxwell did not appear in court.
* 1999: In Florida, he was arrested for failing to pay $160,000 in child support. A warrant was issued for Maxwell's arrest in Florida in December 2004 when he failed to appear for another child support hearing.
* 2005: Maxwell was jailed in January 2005 in Washington state after his arrest as a fugitive on the 2004 outstanding arrest warrant from Florida.
* 2007: In North Carolina, Maxwell was arrested for drug possession charges. This violated his probation and Maxwell turned himself in in Alachua County, Florida and was jailed without bond.

Did not realize he is possibly still in jail. Work release?

[ReasonablySober]

Sounds like the deal is all but done. Hassell and KVH are both in it. Sadly, no Danny Gadz.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

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Did not realize he is possibly still in jail. Work release?

I completely forgot about some of that stuff and was totally unaware of some of those other incidents.

I also never bothered to check if he was in jail.
That has never been on my list of things to check on when thinking of creative ideas to get trades done, but from now on I will make sure to check on a player's incarceration status as well