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OT: trading "retired" players ... Smitch NEXT???

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OT: trading "retired" players ... Smitch NEXT??? 

Post#1 » by seanbig » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:53 am

well, its a longshot, but recently a lot of non-active players have been moved...

KVH and Mckie to name a few. Perhaps smitch could be next....or not

Aaron McKie is Not the Only NBA Coach Who Could Get Traded

February 4, 2008 4:03 PM

This time last week, Aaron McKie was an unpaid assistant coach for the Philadelphia 76ers (although he is still making money from his last contract as a player).

Then McKie was traded from the Los Angeles Lakers to the Memphis Grizzlies.

What?

Even better, now he's going to get a chance to be that rarest of things, a player/assistant coach. And for his troubles, he'll reportedly make an additional $750,000 or so.

Not bad!

But how did that happen?

McKie was included in the deal to make the salary cap numbers work. The Lakers could have renounced McKie, but instead -- as teams often do -- held onto his rights. Sometimes the rights to retired players can come in handy, and the cost of keeping them is only some salary cap inflexibility.

A free agent like McKie stays on the books as a "cap hold" until he re-signs with his own team, signs with another team, or is renounced. UPDATE: These players are not under contract and are typically not paid (exception: McKie, and all those bought out under the one-time amnesty rule). But they have not been renounced either -- it's like the team has a right of first refusal to their playing services if they want to come back. And that right costs the team a little bit of space under the salary cap. Teams that are trying to maximize cap space to sign free agents typically will renounce these guys. But in the meantime, they hang around on the books.

This allows a team, like the Lakers with Aaron McKie, to use that player in a trade, instead of a player on their current roster.

Some of the names might surprise you -- like current Raptors head coach Sam Mitchell, who could in theory be traded by Minnesota. (Based on a conversation I just had with the league office, for the league to approve such a trade, the NBA would have to be satisfied that Mitchell's contract with the Raptors was completley resolved -- bought out, terminated etc. -- and that whichever team was acquiring Mitchell was doing so to get him to play basketball for them. They frown on retired players moving around on paper just to satisfy the collective bargaining agreement.)


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oh yeah...just realized this is from feb4, so there is probably only a 0.00000001% chance of this not getting locked, but hey smitch trade...lol

Hey I got an idea...lets trade for sprewell, and then trade him to the grizz as another expiring...
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Post#2 » by Illuminati » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:13 pm

Inteesting prospect. I would love to see it happen, McHale would go down as my fav. GM in the history of Sports if this went down.
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Post#3 » by TheMainEvent » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:09 pm

Yeah, that article has been posted before.
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Post#4 » by 5DOM » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:03 pm

trade dixon for smitch
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Post#5 » by Tommy Udo 6 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:33 pm

The key is that the retired player must be on the team's cap-hold. Teams way over the cap usually keep players there since it doesnt make much difference. Dallas with a $90 million payroll isnt going to renounce a player like KVH in order to get "cap room"

Bulls can still sign and trade Mike Sweetney & PJ Brown. Same situation as KVH
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Post#6 » by AB_21 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:37 pm

Oh please trade Smitch.
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Post#7 » by whysoserious » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:28 pm

According to the article it says that the NBA frowns on retired player's being moved around to satisfy the CBA. But isnt' that exactly what happened with Mckie and what looks like will happen with KVH? How does that satisfy the league's so-called frowning on retired players being traded just to make trades work?
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Post#8 » by CB4-TJ11-AB7 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:31 pm

whysoserious wrote:According to the article it says that the NBA frowns on retired player's being moved around to satisfy the CBA. But isnt' that exactly what happened with Mckie and what looks like will happen with KVH? How does that satisfy the league's so-called frowning on retired players being traded just to make trades work?


Because those guys are saying they'll report to their respective teams. McKie had to leave Philly and actually go and stay in Memphis. KVH will have to go to the Nets and play. They can't just stay at home collecting paycheques.

But honestly, all these GM's are starting to find ways to play with the CBA and this is just not a good thing for the league. Stern needs to take a stand
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Post#9 » by Bankai » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:34 pm

If SMitch gets traded by Minisota, then BC now has an excuse that was beyond his control to replace the SMitch.

"Hey Mini, thanks for moving the SMitch for me, wanted to do that for a while. Didnt have to do the dirty work in removing the hated COY, now I can bring in Ettore Messina.. etc"

This could be intriguing.
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Post#10 » by whysoserious » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:39 pm

Smitch can't be traded by Minnesota unless all his contractual obligations with Toronto are fulfilled or terminated. That's the gist of the Smitch situation.

GM's are smart and have found a way around the CBA but this can't be good long-term and I'm sure Stern is already working on how to put it in the CBA that these guys can't be traded.
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Post#11 » by Cairo » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:09 pm

lol... Trade Smitch for Doc Rivers!
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