Trade Deadline: Today @ 3PM EST!

[Phillysprint]

Usable big man for the rest of the season... This sounds like Joe Smith Ping pong ball killer move. The hawks just got better and one could argue that the Nets might be better after the kid trade goes down (they needed a change to get them going). We will not make the playoffs, but we will be the 9th or 10th team in the east putting well out of the top 10 for the draft.

Not to mention who wants to be the 8th or the 9th seed unless you think you can win... and i dont think the sixers are ready to win agaisnt the Celtics or the Pistons.

They should just play start Smith at PF and let him get minutes and if they win so be it.

Miller
AI2
Young
Smith
Sam

that should be the starting lineup the rest of the way for better or worse.

[is1531]

Apparently the Nets deal with Dallas will go down this week.From my vantage point the 76ers must bring back the same type of deal for Andre Miller,otherwise just pass on a deal.I need 2 ist round picks for Miller.One this year and one in 2010 plus players.The Nets will get what they want and Ed Stefansky must follow the same precident.
If it does not work out,we just let Miller fly in another year.

I remember Chris Mullen saying at the beginning of the season,their is no way he would let Andris Biedrins get away from the Warriors,even though he is restricted.Nelson loves to tinker with his lineup,but I know he also loves Biedrins.How I wish Biedrins was the 76ers power forward.It was only several weeks ago when Kenny Smith was questioning the ability of Andris Biedrins.On that night Biedrins pulled down 26 rebounds in a win over New York.

The 76ers could actually benefit with a Willie Green for Bonzi Wells for 1 season,if it's only for the playoff run .They would just not renew Wells contract next season.If you put Wells as the 2 guard, Wells can help the 76ers on the boards.He is a good rebounder in traffic and can score on the inside.Again,it's just renting the player for the last 29 games.

Right now the 76ers have 1 bench player I totally trust,who is Lou Williams.It would be nice to say we have scoring from Carney and Smith,but at this point we are still waiting for them to blossom.

I still do not find this team exciting since we lack a PF and a shooter,but let's hope Stefansky has a plan in place.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

The Plan is to acquire Ron-Ron **drinks kool aid** MAKE IT HAPPEN.

[SendEm]

Also... here's a pretty solid column from John Hollinger about why the new deal is still bad for Dallas.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/ ... ade-080217

I knew Kidd was a bad shooter but I didn't realize that his field goal percentage was down to 36.6%. That is brutal!

If Miller were a better PG than Kidd either the fans or coaches would have voted him into the All Star game. Neither did.


The two most outrageous things that I have ever read on this board are:
1. Sixerscan saying that Andre Miller is better than Jason Kidd
2. One of the Iggy**** usernames said within the last couple of weeks that he would not trade Iguodala for Bynum straight up because he thinks that Iguodala is a better player.

[The Guilty Party]

Wait... since when did the fans' vote becoming a telling sign on how good a player is? Time after time the fans have voted based on NAME. Want proof? Just look at the Magic Johnson the year he announced he had HIV and retired.

We don't know if the coaches would have made Kidd an All-Star since he was voted in but I do know that a man who shoots 36% from the field and plays on a team with a record of 23-30 isn't on the same level as most of the players that did make the team.

[freshie2]

Nothing is done but the Sixers are in negotiations with Hawks, Clippers, Bulls, Rockets and Bobcats.
For example:
Brand, Okafor-Morrison, T-Mac, Hinrich-Gordon,Tyrus Thomas, Josh Smith- M.Williams.
Sincerely, I don

[freshie2]

1) Kidd is a bigger name than Miller and has had a better career. Kidd plays better defense. For this season and say the next 2 seasons, I think Miller's value is closer to Kidd than some are giving him credit for...Kidd 53/47 right now...career is a much bigger margin.

2) Dislocated knee caps can be recurrent, so Bynum's value is a little questionable, but you still have to take him straight up for Iguodala. Amazing how the LAL once again re-invent themselves into a serious contender...if Bynum regains his health this season.

[sports savant]

Savant... Kidd has had the superior career to Miller but have you watched the Nets at all this year???

I've watched them enuff. Look, I know they are supposedly underachieving and every other underperforming adjective you can add.

the 76ers are overachieving and every other over performing adjective you can find..

Kidd's #s are down --no arguement here

Miller's #s are up --especially scoring wise
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I dont think that is enuff to say: Miller is better now.
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I could point to Carter and Jefferson being unbelievably overhyped and just downright AWFUL!!

that has to hurt Kidd right??
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There's also no doubt in my mind which team is playing harder, w more chemistry and on the better side of the pendelum.

Sammy in the middle vs a young Williams and Boone is a huge difference for the dynamic of the two teams....
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I cant say enuff about how impressed I am w Miller; i've loved his under valued game since he put up a triple double on my tar heels in the final four (or close 2 it). And when the 76ers got him from Denver, I was telling people how absolutely solid this guy is.....

all that-- he's no Jason Kidd-- ESPECIALLY when Kidd wont have to score!!

which he wont have to do in Dallas, & he didnt really have to do in NJ when they were an elite team.... he now thinks he has to score more cause the rest of the team blows and doesnt care-- so his numbers are down.

[SendEm]

Wait... since when did the fans' vote becoming a telling sign on how good a player is? Time after time the fans have voted based on NAME. Want proof? Just look at the Magic Johnson the year he announced he had HIV and retired.

We don't know if the coaches would have made Kidd an All-Star since he was voted in but I do know that a man who shoots 36% from the field and plays on a team with a record of 23-30 isn't on the same level as most of the players that did make the team.

LOL but Andre Miller didn't get voted in by EITHER! Surely everyone can't be wrong here... Chauncey Billups got voted into the NBA All Star game by the coaches, is Andre Miller also a better player than Billups in your world Sixerscan?

Where is Andre Miller better? His EFF # is 17.66, Kidd's number is 20.69, Billups number is 20.08...

Miller is not better than Jason Kidd in the court of Public opinion. Miller is not better statistically, and Miller isn't better in win percentage.

[UptownPhilly]

...and the Sixers do nothing

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Sendem: This may be the ONE topic of which we both agree upon: Fans are really overhyping Andre Miller/degrading Jason Kidd. J-Kidd is near his career numbers at the AGE of 35. Oscar by the same age was on the last of his legs. Even if J-Kidd starts to decline at 38 or 39, he had a longer career then one of the better combo guards in NBA history who was TALLER then J-Kidd.

36 percent? Well, Iverson's 40 percent wasn't a slam dunk either but if Billy King had a damn clue we win championships with Iverson. Don't use shooting numbers to indicate how well a person is playing. Use Jason Kidd's OVERALL numbers. Which are 2 rebs away from averaging a triple double.

[tk76]

Nash and Kidd are still near or at the top of their games at 34-35 years old. Is it because they are singular talents, or could we hope for Miller to have 4-5 more career type years in his tank?

I am not saying Miller is a future HOF guard like those guys; I am talking about longevity at the pg position for players that rely more on skill than pure athletasism- which can be said for all three players.

[The Guilty Party]

The issue for me isn't Andre Miller being better than Kidd but Kidd being overhyped and overvalued. As I've said all along, the Mavs are paying too much for him and will regret this trade in a big way within 15 months.

[STChaser]

Who really cares about Kidd versus Miller? The only things you need to know are; Kidd IS overhyped. Dallas is making a huge mistake in giving away Harris and filler for Kidd, and Andre Miller is the best PG we've had here in the last 10 or so years and should fetch us a nice package in the case that Stefanski decides to ever part with him. Oh, one more thing, Stefanski should really think about bringing in Justin Williams and cutting Amundson or Shav.

STChaser

[The Guilty Party]

It'll be interesting to see if the league allows Van Horn to be used in this trade when he's obviously coming off of the couch after a year and a half. Personally, I'm rooting against this trade since the Nets are getting the better end of it.

[SendEm]

The issue for me isn't Andre Miller being better than Kidd but Kidd being overhyped and overvalued. As I've said all along, the Mavs are paying too much for him and will regret this trade in a big way within 15 months.

I believe that Dallas overpayed as well with the draft picks but if you look at this trade from the perspective of Devin Harris not being a real PG so in reality he is just another undersized SG with a handle and those are easy to come by, Diop is a stiff, and after next season the Mavericks will be better off financially if they can't win a CHIP with Kidd they can just not resign him or offer him the 1 extra year that Cuban has gone on record of offering Kidd.

Diop and Devin Harris do not win you a Championship in the West moving forward, but atleast Kidd gives you a fighting chance over the next couple of seasons.

This was a championship move for Dallas and it also ensures that Dallas will NOT be stagnant with big money contracts in 3-4 years with a sub .500 record. This will put Dallas in position to potentially retool by getting under the cap and signing a free agent in a few seasons.

[The Guilty Party]

Alright... Marc Stein gave an update on the Kidd trade and heres where it stands....

The trade has been agreed to in principle (no Stack or George, with KVH and Hassell). The league is apparently going to take a hard look at the KVH situation because of the fact that he hasn't played for a year a half. Stein said that when McKie was included in the Gasol deal, the league required McKie to remain with the Grizzlies on their roster for the remainder of the season and McKie has attended practices even though he hasn't been put on the active roster.

Stein said that if the league requires KVH to go to New Jersey and do the same thing that there's a real good chance Van Horn says he doesn't want to be involved in this trade. Even though he would make $4MIL for 10 weeks work, Van Horn apparently doesn't need the money since he's done extremely well with his business career in Colorado and is committed to remaining with his family there.

I think the league is going to determine what would be better for PR purposes: This trade finally going through and putting up with any backlash about the CBA being a joke because of KVH or sticking to their guns and refusing to allow the Nets and Mavs to work around the rules with Van Horn as a pawn.

[STChaser]

Even though he would make $4MIL for 10 weeks work, Van Horn apparently doesn't need the money...

I became more and more nauseous each time I read this line.....


STChaser

[tk76]

Any other updates from Stein?

[tk76]

Anyone else here who was excited when the Sixers signed reigning Western conference player of the month CWebb around the deadline a few years ago?

Times sure change quickly.