Worried hawk fan

[Hawkeyes]

I know i'm pumped about the Bibby deal also..but, I just have a bad feeling that we are going to screw up and lose Josh Smith this offseason. This organization would be the one that would screw up such a thing, sorry to doom on the parade..but, I just have a very bad feeling about it.

[HoopsGuru25]

You should feel alot better about the chances of re-signing Smith after today. If the Hawks weren't going to re-sign Smith then they would have traded him for Bibby or not traded for Bibby at all. This is basically the anti Memphis move by the ASG saying that they are going to try to spend the money necessary for a good team.

[conleyorbust]

You should feel alot better about the chances of re-signing Smith after today. If the Hawks weren't going to re-sign Smith then they would have traded him for Bibby or not traded for Bibby at all. This is basically the anti Memphis move by the ASG saying that they are going to try to spend the money necessary for a good team.

Yeah, Smith is still the engine of this team. If we do well this season and then DON'T sign him to a Bibby-sized contract then trading for Mike makes no sense.

[LL Cool Scott]

Don't worry about that. We still have the right to match any offer on Josh. And keep in mind that the outside perception of Josh is that he is more trouble than he is worth. I don't necessarily agree with this, but the outside perception is that he is a bad kid that doesn't respect his coach and fights with his teammates. All this means is that he isn't going to get offered a contract anywhere close to what he deserves for his tremendous skills and potential. We'll sign him pretty cheap.

[EddyCurryJoshSmith0502]

Don't worry about that. We still have the right to match any offer on Josh. And keep in mind that the outside perception of Josh is that he is more trouble than he is worth. I don't necessarily agree with this, but the outside perception is that he is a bad kid that doesn't respect his coach and fights with his teammates. All this means is that he isn't going to get offered a contract anywhere close to what he deserves for his tremendous skills and potential. We'll sign him pretty cheap.

LOL ya right there is no way we sign Josh Smith on the cheap Side we will not sign him for anything less then 5 years 12 million a year. THis kid is a budding star in this league has proven so far his attidude is a thing of the past. He will get paid and IT WONT BE CHEAP.

[evildallas]

You should feel alot better about the chances of re-signing Smith after today. If the Hawks weren't going to re-sign Smith then they would have traded him for Bibby or not traded for Bibby at all. This is basically the anti Memphis move by the ASG saying that they are going to try to spend the money necessary for a good team.

That's a good point. The few teams with cap room have to be cautious with offering deals to RFAs because of the way the system works. This move might have brought the ASG some street cred with other teams and that'll make them a little more cautious before they try to poach from us.

[D21]

You don't have to have a bad feeling, this trade gives exactly the opposite view. Trading your expiring contracts for a player with running contract proves you want to spend some cash to gives some chance to this team. We were waiting for a thing like that, and they just chosed it was the right moment. And even if this move can't improve the team enough, there's no risk, Bibby is expiring next year. So it should not change anything for this summer. At worst, they made a bad year.

Now, since it was the trade I was hopping (Bibby and not Miller, and with expiring), I hope the future moves will be in the same direction.

[papasmurf038]

Smith is a restricted FA after this season, the hawks have the right to match any offer any team throws at him...and although theres no official word on it...I'm pretty sure the Hawks would match any offer even a max...Smith is just too important to the team's future...

Chill on the other hand almost certainly will play for another team next year

[NWO4Life]

We'll sign him pretty cheap.

LL you been around a long time and posted some wonderful comments. But this simple statement must be the dumbest thing I've ever seen you put to paper.

Let say rather that I disagree.

[LL Cool Scott]

Hmmm...don't know whether to say "thank you" or "**** you" to that...

When I say cheap, I mean cheap in relative terms. Josh is not going to get paid commensurate to his enormous talent and potential. He'll get paid a lot, but not as much as he deserves. The reason is that he has a reputation among league executives as a "hothead" or a "problem child." I have no idea whether this is accurate, but I do know that is the reputation he has. There was a great article in Sports Illustrated a few months back about this exact issue. The gist of the article was that Josh is a tremendous talent, who is going to be severely underpaid because of his reputation (much like Artest and Rasheed Wallace). The consensus among the executives in the article was that Josh would not got anywhere close to max money. All of which is a great thing for us and our chances of resigning him (relatively) cheaply.

[N.O.R.E.]

Rasheed Wallace is/was ever underpaid?
Are you sure we follow the same league?

[Harry10]

any team that can offer Josh max will offer him max, and the Hawks should match any offer, both on a talent level and marketing, and financial level.

but, does this mean Childress is not going to be in a Hawks uni next year?

[JoshB914]

What if we convinced Chillz to play out his contract next year? And told him we would give him a nice deal after that next season?

[evildallas]

Well, I wouldn't advocate anything underhanded. The league can be pretty stiff with the penalties. Also, he has little reason to believe it because Marvin is up for a contract the following year.

He may choose to play for the one year tender anyway if he doesn't get the offer he wants. That way he becomes Unrestricted. If he signs an offer sheet that isn't what he wants just to get an opportunity to start, it might get matched leaving him as a 6th man.

[NWO4Life]

Hmmm...don't know whether to say "thank you" or "**** you" to that...

When I say cheap, I mean cheap in relative terms. Josh is not going to get paid commensurate to his enormous talent and potential. He'll get paid a lot, but not as much as he deserves. The reason is that he has a reputation among league executives as a "hothead" or a "problem child." I have no idea whether this is accurate, but I do know that is the reputation he has. There was a great article in Sports Illustrated a few months back about this exact issue. The gist of the article was that Josh is a tremendous talent, who is going to be severely underpaid because of his reputation (much like Artest and Rasheed Wallace). The consensus among the executives in the article was that Josh would not got anywhere close to max money. All of which is a great thing for us and our chances of resigning him (relatively) cheaply.

It was a bit of a rub...but in good fun. I figure we've seen our posts here enough to have a little fun. I did anyway!

[HoopsGuru25]

What if we convinced Chillz to play out his contract next year? And told him we would give him a nice deal after that next season?

I don't think Chil is going to be taking a one year deal but it would be nice if he did(right before Marvin was a FA). Chances are that he still wants a long term deal and I can see him getting 5/30 at the rate teams are handing out the MLE these days. What's funny is that Chils PER(which I have no idea how to calculate)is higher than Luol Deng's and Emeka Okafor's this year despite Chil being a below average defender and only scoring garbage points. Maybe the Hawks can get lucky and get SOMETHING(like with Harrington) in a sign and trade...there have been more surprising moves so you never know.

[JoshB914]

I'm not sure how PER is calculated either. But I'm pretty sure that Chillz's shooting % is a big reason for his high PER.