Dallas + Kidd - Diop - Harris = Fail

Ozek · Post #1 » by **Ozek** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:57 pm

Kidd can't shoot to save his life. Diop is a huge loss. End of game Kidd will be on the court instead of Stackhouse, meaning the opposing coach with 1/2 a brain will use Kidd's man to double Dirk.

Dampier will foul out against Shaq, leaving Dirk to guard both Shaq and Amare and stay out of foul trouble? Not likely. Dirk forced to guard Duncan cause Dampier fouled out? Not fun. Guard Bynum + Gasol? No.

This trade will not make the Mavs better, in my opinion. Kidd is shooting 36.7% from the floor this year. How much of that is easy layups? Do you expect your 16 playoff wins to come from Kidd hitting open shots because Dirk is doubled 100% of the time? I don't.

dirkforpres · Post #2 » by **dirkforpres** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:05 pm

We didnt trade for Kidd for his shooting. Avery is the best coach since Byron Scott that J-Kidd will have played for anyways so who knows how much better he can get as the season progresses.

Post #3 » by **catalyst** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:08 pm

It could mean failure, but lets give it a go. We can only cheer for the mavericks on the roster.

Rand10 · Post #4 » by **Rand10** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:13 pm

Kidd doesn't have to be a scorer in Dallas. Terry really struggled taking a backseat to Harris because they were both scoring pg's and needed the ball, but now he will return to form. That can easily make up for Kidd's poor shooting.

JES12 · Post #5 » by **JES12** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:19 pm

catalyst wrote:It could mean failure, but lets give it a go. We can only cheer for the mavericks on the roster.

That's going to be hard to do knowing we had a team that could have gone all the way.

Taiyab_K · Post #6 » by **Taiyab_K** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:26 pm

See, we're assuming that Shaq is GOING TO FIT IN with Phoenix. Uhhh, I don't know about you but I think Shaq will have difficulty fitting in with Phoenix...this late into the season as well.

And remember, why is Kidd shooting in the first place? Kidd will get his points, but it'll be scrappy.

Post #7 » by **catalyst** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:37 pm

JES12 wrote:That's going to be hard to do knowing we had a team that could have gone all the way.

They didnt. It is the same boat now. We dont know and have to see. I hate all of this give up.

Post #8 » by **DDansby123** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:48 pm

catalyst wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I hate all of this give up.

Some of the fans seem as mentally weak as the team, don't they? What sucks is that we're going to be dealing with this issue forever, and it's never going to amount to anything more than the following exchange:

Anti-Kidd: "See, Harris and Diop would've done better than Kidd!"
Pro-Kidd response: "Not necessarily."

Once the trade is done, you can't look back at the what-ifs. What's done is done. You accept it and move on. You can learn from the mistakes, but you still have to move on.

JES12 · Post #9 » by **JES12** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:57 pm

^^^

You can psyche yourself into theat "not necessarily" talk if you want. That line of thinking and giving in is for mentally weak followers.

Post #10 » by **catalyst** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:03 pm

The unfortunate thing is that the only vote any of us have is with our feet and money. Since I dont really spend any money with the mavs, I can only vote with my feet. And since I cheer for the Laundry, I am in the lemming line. I have been and always will be a fan. I may not like all of the moves, but I will stay with them. I made it thru the first year, the 9-73 year, the WC finals in teh 80's, the Finals two years ago, and every other of the 27 seasons. I will be around for the remainder of my life or their life, whichever is shorter, and I will be cheering for them.

jwa1107 · Post #11 » by **jwa1107** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:29 pm

if Avery is not willing to play Diop then how big of a loss can it be?

he played in 52 games averaged 17mpg, 3ppr, 5rpg, and 1 bpg
not exactly world-beater stats

with added minutes who is to say Bass can't pick up his averages from
20mpg, 8ppg, 4.5rpg and 0.7bpg?

and what does Malik Allen bring to the table?
we don't know yet...

JES12 · Post #12 » by **JES12** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:45 pm

How many minutes did he avg against Shaq, Duncan, Camby & Yao?

Shaq did not play us this year and he was above 21 MPG in all the others.

All of those are potential playoff matchups.

jwa1107 · Post #13 » by **jwa1107** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:50 pm

^^^
as an aside:
Yao's team won't make the playoffs this season
book it!

JES12 · Post #14 » by **JES12** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:55 pm

jwa1107 wrote:^^^
as an aside:
Yao's team won't make the playoffs this season
book it!

Maybe, but they are 17-3 over the last 20 games and are currently in 8th place.

Post #15 » by **cmavswin** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:59 pm

Harris+Diop= lose in first round as a 1 seed+ Lose in finals after being up 2-0. Diop and Harris are replaceable a Jason Kidd does not come around all that often.

JES12 · Post #16 » by **JES12** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:07 pm

cmavswin wrote:Howard + Dirk + Stack + Terry + Dampier + Cuban + Avery = lose in first round as a 1 seed+ Lose in finals after being up 2-0.

Fixed!

And BTW, Harris nas never losed as the starting PG. And Bass has never lossed against GSW.

ppp000 · Post #17 » by **ppp000** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:14 pm

I'm glad we have people who can see into the future. Please tell me what the next lotto numbers are. Thanks.

jwa1107 · Post #18 » by **jwa1107** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:25 pm

ppp000 wrote:I'm glad we have people who can see into the future. Please tell me what the next lotto numbers are. Thanks.

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

JES12 · Post #19 » by **JES12** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:30 pm

jwa1107 wrote:4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
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superemxguy · Post #20 » by **superemxguy** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:48 am

NETS FAN here,

Its amazing, Kidd averages close to 10 pts , 10 rebounds , 10 assists per game and you guys are still complaining....?

Kidd will make the shot when it count the most book it. Be it a layup , put back, 3 point you name it.

Why don't you watch last years 3 over time classic with Steve Nash...