Trade deadline comin soon.. Do warriors make a deal?

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i dont understand how Cleeves is a bad comparision (and besides i was just using his name as an example). there are thousands of college players that are insane in D1 sports. all the players in college are talented and skilled.

and of those players he did well against how many of them are logging NBA minutes? (other than Thornton)

Am I arguing with a wall here?

Wright held his own against players with 30, 40, 50 lbs on him, when he was 200 lbs. The "strength" wise argument does not hold water.... sure you don't put him on Yao, Shaq or Dwight... but that doesn't mean he can't do it. Who the eff cares if they have NBA skills or not... that part is irrelevant to what we're talking about.

Comparing how a guard did with how a post player did makes no sense at all... 2 completely different worlds.

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Wright is damn fast in a straight line, but I think even his most ardent supporters would concede that at his height, lateral quickness when matched up against at typical 6'6-6'8 SF who can put the ball on the floor is going to be a problem.

He has pretty good lateral quickness from what I've seen... when he gets to the quick-1st-step SFs hed have issues, also with the good ballhandling ones. But I think in the interest of creating mismatches (:lol: @ the thought of Nellie creating a big-mismatch) he'd sure be interesting at the 3... a lot of 3s are very poor at defending the post, and w/Wright's length, the offensive end bonuses would negate the defensive warts.

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He has pretty good lateral quickness from what I've seen... when he gets to the quick-1st-step SFs hed have issues, also with the good ballhandling ones. But I think in the interest of creating mismatches (:lol: @ the thought of Nellie creating a big-mismatch) he'd sure be interesting at the 3... a lot of 3s are very poor at defending the post, and w/Wright's length, the offensive end bonuses would negate the defensive warts.

Did you forget? . . . he can't shoot the 3, so we're not going to involve him in the offense.

He has to be a positive defensive matchup to get in the game (according to Dre) so he needs to play the 4. At the 4 Wright's Speed + length > most, but his strength < most. At the 3, he's just long, but neither much quicker nor stronger.

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Did you forget? . . . he can't shoot the 3, so we're not going to involve him in the offense.

He has to be a positive defensive matchup to get in the game (according to Dre) so he needs to play the 4. At the 4 Wright's Speed + length > most, but his strength < most. At the 3, he's just long, but neither much quicker nor stronger.

Thank God we can always fall back on Barnes or Pietrus at the 4 then.. their post D is crucial




Can't wait for the offseason... I'll be in Hawaii trying to round up every hooker I can and sending them to Nellie's room... he'll retire or pass away the happiest man alive

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Thank God we can always fall back on Barnes or Pietrus at the 4 then.. their post D is crucial

Post D? Once the ball is in the post, we're supposed to be headed down the other end so we can run out on the inbounds.

Seriously, Barnes does good stuff in Nellie D. He gets his hands on the ball and disrupts thing when he doesn't get completely crushed. Pete? I have no idea what Nellie thinking with Pete.

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Did you forget? . . . he can't shoot the 3, so we're not going to involve him in the offense.

He has to be a positive defensive matchup to get in the game (according to Dre) so he needs to play the 4. At the 4 Wright's Speed + length > most, but his strength < most. At the 3, he's just long, but neither much quicker nor stronger.

You may be right Sleepy, but don't forget that Nellie used Dirk at the 3 his first 4 or 5 years and he was way more uncoordinated than Wright imo. You might say he could shoot better but I'm not even so sure of that (if Wright were asked to work on developing his outside game). Remember, Dirk his first year in the league only shot only 40.5% from the field and 20.5% from the arc. He did it for Dirk (gave him the opportunity to play against smaller guys while he was physically immature), why wouldn't he do it for Wright?

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The part that kills me about Barnes, that occasionally I love, is that he does not recognize his own skills. He believes he is capable of anything he wants...

When a big man gets position on him, he'll try and outmuscle them... when he knows a pass is coming into the post, he thinks hes got a jump on the ball.. he believes he can block any layup (he must have the most and-1 fouls in the league).. now if he were playing the high F in the 1-2-2 again, I think he'd be 10x more successful. That style would work there.

When he's at the bottom of a 2-3, or manning the 4, it just wont work...

Barnes is a bipolar basketball player, I like him off the bench but I dont like the guaranteed 25 minutes for the guy. Ideally hes a 10-25 mpg guy, pending on how he performs. And of course the new empty minutes would go to Wright, POB...

Damnit, I rambled myself into my own Warriors dream world again..

[floppymoose]

Post D? Once the ball is in the post, we're supposed to be headed down the other end so we can run out on the inbounds.

Nash does that. It's funny to watch.

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Nash does that. It's funny to watch.

Nash really shouldn't bother passing halfcourt. Only bad things can happen with him on the defensive end. Better to leave him out of defense entirely so he doesn't get in foul trouble . . . oh wait, I forgot, they don't CALL fouls on Nash.

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Am I arguing with a wall here?

Wright held his own against players with 30, 40, 50 lbs on him, when he was 200 lbs. The "strength" wise argument does not hold water.... sure you don't put him on Yao, Shaq or Dwight... but that doesn't mean he can't do it. Who the eff cares if they have NBA skills or not... that part is irrelevant to what we're talking about.

Comparing how a guard did with how a post player did makes no sense at all... 2 completely different worlds.

no youre arguing with you face...

you always seem to answer questions that you want to answer. of those guys you listed earlier, the ones where BW was holding his own, how many of them are logging NBA minutes this season???

You gotta realize that Wright was playing for the "Pistons" in college. His team was clearly better than most opponents they played, he played with college Allstars. Now he plays for the Warriors. So you cannot compare what he did in college. He wasnt going up against 13 lottery picks every night. And it was Tyler Hansbrough holding it down the heels. He had his share of bad games, but it was overshadowed by his team winning.

BWright has tremendous potential. Unbelievable potential, might be in the top 10 of all the NBA today. But Nellie wont put him in to satisfy you. Shame on Nellie for not listening.

[Sleepy51]

BWright has tremendous potential. Unbelievable potential, might be in the top 10 of all the NBA today. But Nellie wont put him in to satisfy you. Shame on Nellie for not listening.

How about putting him in because Pietrus is a terrible PF?

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I'm disappointed GSW aren't making a deal for artest... pietrus + expirings would have worked since nuggets giving up nothing basically if all they give up is najera and smith (and as rumored they dont want to deal kleiza). Then again I'm not sure if there is enough expiring to make a deal..

[GSWhoopfan]

why is every thread assoicated with a Nellie sucks or BWright needs play time???

Mike Miller for Diogu and Daniels. Daniels might thrive out there. Ike will get minutes...

but is Pietrus/POB better than that???

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How about putting him in because this team needs a shot blocker on the floor at all times.

When Beans isn't in i want to see more Brandan. The length is a huge issue for us. Beans and Brandan get to balls (posessions!) that the others don't. We need that desparately.

I like the idea of him playing some SF. Yes he would get abused by certain players, but his athleticism and length would bother so many others.

When Webber's out there playing center, Wright is perfect next to him. Like Sleepy said this kid contributes without running plays for him. with Webber, he will have putback opportunities and also back door dunks.

With Beans on the floor, Al makes the most sense.

when Jax is sitting down you could run Wright and Barnes at the 3/4 and have Beans/Web/or Al at 5.

The kid makes sense, where Pietrus does not. I guarantee that the kid would make less mistakes than Mickael does.

the weight issue isn't as big a deal as people make out because we're talking about 10 minutes here, and even if he gets overpowered on occasion, his length can make up for being pushed around.

Some times length is more important than actually blocking every shot. Players have to change the way they approach their attempts if the guy guarding or helping is very long.

This is why Obee should be used more. Then imagine if in the future we could run out Beans, Wright and Obee (as the back-up). you're talking about some guys who would dominate the lane. It would be difficult for other teams to score down the lane like they do now, when Beans sits.

We will continued to get killed in the paint as long as Nellie is stubborn with his missuse of these guys.

it's OK though. We're winning at a nice clip in the toughest Conference. I'm happy with what we're doing and I back Nellie, with questions.

Maybe Wright is Nellie's secret weapon for the stretch drive.

If we don't make another move, or simply ship Pietrus out without anyone coming back, then adding Wright into the mix (seriously) might be like adding a player anyhow.

He could be our energizer bunny. And the kid will play better with our main players than he does with the scrubs. He's a smart Basketball player and his garbage and energy will be a welcome addition for the last 30 games.

Keep your fingers crossed.

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So if I'm getting this correctly, Brandan Wright held his own in the post 1 on 1 because his teammates were good...

The question is irrelevant... this is getting borderline ridiculous. I literally dont think we can talk about basketball because you ask questions and make points that have nothing to do with whats being said... he held his own against people much heavier than him, in the post, individually. Im not just looking at box scores - the kid has great balance.

Who cares that he didn't line up against NBA people... he lined up against heavier, stronger people, and still succeeded. When he was 15 lbs lighter than he is now.

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Mylie - I still hold out a little optimism in our coach... maybe, just maybe, when the trade deadline passes, Wright becomes used a lot more... its very doubtful, but its the last shred of faith I have in Nellie being an actual coach and not just a construction worker.

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Mylie - I still hold out a little optimism in our coach... maybe, just maybe, when the trade deadline passes, Wright becomes used a lot more... its very doubtful, but its the last shred of faith I have in Nellie being an actual coach and not just a construction worker.

Hey dude,

I'm with you on Brandan holding his own in College. It does translate when you play in a big conference with a great team who plays a tough schedule.

Yes Hansborough was a factor in Brandans, numbers. I believe Brandan would have averaged around 10 boards as a freshman if NC didn't have Hansborough.

The kid has natural basketball skills. It's obvious that he should be playing more.

But I can see (not agree) that Nellie doesn't play him more because we're winning and every single game is crucial for us. And when we lose to Minny and Chicago, then Nellie feels justified that he can't risk things with the young guys.

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Fearing the unknown is what this country is based upon

You have to believe Nellie likes the "mad genius" label he gets... the truly innovative try new things, not try the same thing, over and over, until it finally works.

To take a generic quote from TV: Whats the worst that could happen?

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Artest on the Nuggets is scary. He's exactly the type of guy they need.

I hope it falls through.

We should grab him even if it's only so they don't.

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With all of the big deals involving expirings. you'd have to think that our trade exception could be enough to get Artest or possibly Kurt Thomas.

Even Mike miller, except Miller has 2 more years.