Would you trade Sean May for Patrick O'Bryant (Warriors)?

Post #21 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:45 pm

What stocks should I buy, Man of Tomorrow?

Post #22 » by **floppymoose** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:12 am

There was an interesting interview from Andris Biedrins just recently, in Latvian. Some Latvian warriors fans translated it for us. In it Andris says that POB is deep in Nellie's doghouse and Andris doesn't know why. and Andris came out and said that Kosta isn't getting playing time because he's too slow, and Marco because he doesn't play defense, so it's not like Andris wasn't telling it like it was. There are a few POB boosters on the Warriors board who believe he is getting the serious shaft.

My take on the tiny handful of minutes he has gotten is this: he is not good right now but he shows some promise and has amazing shot altering ability even against nba competition. He also has a jump hook that has nice form. Supposedly he has a jumper, though it mostly hasn't looked good when I've seen it.

I can think of *no reason* why the Cats shouldn't pick him up in the offseason with part of your cap space if you have it, or part of your MLE otherwise. 9'5" standing reaches do not come along everyday, especially in someone who is reasonably athletic like Patrick.

Post #23 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:17 am

The problem is floppymoose is how many project bigs do you make room for on your roster?

We already have Twiggy and Davidson. Adding POB would just take up another valuable roster spot and present 3 bigs who all need experience that they'll only really get through PT - PT that might not be enough for all three.

Know what I mean? If we did sign POB I would hope that we would trade Twiggy for what ever we could get - so long as the general thought is that POB is better and can be better than Twiggy.

Post #24 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:22 am

O'Bryant is not a project big in the same way Hollins is and Davidson is a 4.

Twiggy has no trade value

Post #25 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:23 am

I mean it's like saying "I'd consider going after Darko, but will there be enough space for him with Twiggy and Davidson around??"

Well...no, because they're not in the same stratosphere potential wise.

Post #26 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:28 am

Why do you say that POB and Darko have more potential than Davidson and Twiggy? Because of their draft positions?

Post #27 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:40 am

Pattycake's upside is Brad Daugherty (because any potential Bobcat must be compared to a Tarheel to have any relevance), Chris Kaman or as bad as Olowakandi. Kandi man is a waste of a #1 pick, but an ok player for a couple of years.

25 D-league games last year and he put up a near double double (12 points 9.6 rebs or something). What has Hollins ever done to deserve a spot on the court instead of the track? Fast-okay, we're a slow team. Jumps high? Okay, well Pattycakes has a high vert too (30 inch for a 7 footer with a 7-6 wingspan and a 9-5 standing reach)

Post #28 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:41 am

Because of their potential to improve relative to their ages.

I mean, sure, maybe Hollins and Davidson "want it" more than Darko/O'Bryant...or maybe that's kindof a learned trait related to confidence?

Just be glad I didn't start posting until AFTER we selected Ammo, because I would've been the guy on the board saying that he and O'Bryant are the same risk/reward just at different positions.

Post #29 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:50 am

What did Davidson average while he was down in the D?

And Twiggy for that matter?

Post #30 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:54 am

I'm all for keeping Davidson, he's a basketball player.

Hollins is not.

O'Bryant is better than Hollins now and in the future, I'm pretty confident about this.

Post #31 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:54 am

Walt Cronkite wrote:Just be glad I didn't start posting until AFTER we selected Ammo, because I would've been the guy on the board saying that he and O'Bryant are the same risk/reward just at different positions.

I agreed with that concept when it came to Ammo 100%. I really enjoyed him at Zag - but I was never comfortable taking him #3, especially considering what else was on offer. Like taking B.Wright #8. I would have hated taking him top 3, but was more than ok taking him #8 (and then thrilled with the eventual outcome!!).

Based what I saw from the Tourney, I would have been on taking POB 10 too - but having potential and reaching potential are two very different things.

There is no reason to think that especially Davidson and maybe even Twiggy wont have the same sort of career as POB.

Post #32 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:05 am

Well there is, because they're different type of players. Davidson is one of those rangy PFs who can rebound and based on d-league stats seems to be able to make an impact on defense. In 31 mins he averaged 8.8 boards and 17 points. I like Jermareo, I'd definitely give him a shot until he's ineligible for more d-league time.

Anyway, seems like we sort of agree, besides the difference that I'd take nanoseconds to cut Hollins to sign O'Bryant and you'd have to think about it.

Post #33 » by **floppymoose** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:08 am

BigSlam wrote:The problem is floppymoose is how many project bigs do you make room for on your roster?

We already have Twiggy and Davidson.

I don't know the answer because I haven't seen enough of your other projects to judge. But I do know that someone is going to take a chance with Patrick, and have a shot of benefiting from GS's mistake. If it's not the Cats it will be some other team.

Post #34 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:10 am

Slam, watching Augustin vs. Jordan?

Post #35 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:14 am

Walt Cronkite wrote:Slam, watching Augustin vs. Jordan?

Yuppers. DJ's had a bad few games. He's due. Got to stop forcing his own shot and start helping his team mates more like he did the 1st two months of the season.

Jordan just needs to do something! Anything!! At the moment Thabeet is looking a better prospect than him!

Post #36 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:16 am

I've started an NCAA thread Walt. Lets take it there.

doc.end · Post #37 » by **doc.end** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:03 pm

Well, POB is an expiring. In case of trade I would want him just to get rid of May's longer contract (I would take almost whoever cheap with ok attitude to do this). This way POB wiould make a roster spot for himself for the rest of this season. After this season we would have 7 men under contract:

PG - Felton
SG - Richardson, Carroll
SF - Wallace, Morrison, Dudley
PF - none*
C - Mohammed
+
*Davidson is a team option
1st pick
2nd pick
with expired Boykins, McInnis, Anderson, Harrington (TO),
Okafor (RFA), O

Post #38 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:04 pm

Higher than Davidson?

Probably a lot of ballers fit this bill, but I doubt any of them qualify ahead of Bowen's loverboy Sean Williams

doc.end · Post #39 » by **doc.end** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:53 am

I meant strong body of a seven footer. Hibbert-esque type. Can be more vertically challenged I canlive with 6-11 pure center. Just not a pf playing center in a need.

Post #40 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:20 am

I know, I was just messing

Definitely a need that I hope we fill sooner than later.

Actually, I think Emeka and Nazr are both true centers, a more pressing need is a true PF, and I'm not talking about pigboy 1 or 2.