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Post#1 » by 75totheMACCfund » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:22 am

Alright, admittedly I've only been to three NBA arenas: the BC, The United Center, and the Target Center. I was quite young when I was at the United Center and just remember it seemed to be built up instead of out (don't know if that makes sense to you guys). The Target center seems squished into 1.5 city blocks in downtown Minneapolis and I absolutely despise it's concourse areas and think it's a terrible arena, although not a bad place to actually watch the game.

That being said. I've been to the BC countless times to watch bucks games. Beyond the bad seats I had at the dallas game this year, they were behind the basket, I usually sit across from the opposing teams bench about 5 row up. They're fine seats, free which is nice because I don't have to pay and never feel bad if I see a poor game.

So here's what I'm getting at...everyone always complains about the BC...it's a hockey arena, it's awful to watch the game at, etc. Have I just been spoiled with good seats my whole life? Where are these sight lines so poor? What is the "perfect arena?" Should the seating be more condensed and built up than as it seems at the BC to jet outwards more?

Perhaps I should look at other arena floor plans and seating charts to get a better handle on this, but I know guys on here get to games in New York, DC, Boston, Oakland, etc...please just explain to me why the BC is so incredibly obsolete (and don't mention the visitor's lockerroom...I used to play in it when it go too hot during Hoop It Up...I know it's a glorified JV girls basketball high school lockerroom). Moreover, I haven't been in opposing teams home lockerrooms, but the bucks home lockerroom always seems nice to me.

Alright, so bitch me out and correct me on everything...tell me why the BC sucks so much.

Bradley Center Seating Chart...
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Post#2 » by trwi7 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:26 am

Sit up in the 400 level and you'll understand why.
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Post#3 » by 75totheMACCfund » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:27 am

here's a list with links to each arena's respective seating chart

http://www.seatingcharts.com/genres/nba ... /index.asp
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Post#4 » by 75totheMACCfund » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:28 am

trwi7 wrote:Sit up in the 400 level and you'll understand why.


okay...but why is it worse than upper decks at other arenas though?
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Post#5 » by trwi7 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:30 am

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okay...but why is it worse than upper decks at other arenas though?


It's dark, it's cramped and it feels like you're a million miles away from the action on the court. The sightlines are awful up there too.
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Post#6 » by Max Green » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:32 am

The only thing I hate about going to the BC is the parking.
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Post#7 » by zizek » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:33 am

The newer arenas give owners more ways to make money from luxury boxes, concessions, better seats and perhaps other ways. That can make the team more competitive. I am not that concerned about my view. I prefer County Stadium to Miller Park.
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Post#8 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:39 am

First of all the BC has the smallest lower bowl in the NBA. About 11,000. That means there are over 7,000 in the upper (cheap) seats. Simple math tells you if you have more seats in the lower bowl you will have more revenue as those seats cost more.

The site lines are horrible. You can't compare the BC to 2 or 3 other places and have an accurate opinion. And you certainly can't compare by looking at seating charts. The place is great if you are sitting between the free throw lines. Otherwise, horrible. And give me a cupholder, damn it.

The small lower seating area plus bad site lines for most seats plus no revenue enhancers (year round restaurants, bars, clubs) equals disaster in the NBA financial world.
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Post#9 » by 75totheMACCfund » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:46 am

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Post#10 » by schweig » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:47 am

Yeah, 5 rows away from the court for free all those times, that goes a long way in explaining it. Although even when I sat roughly around there at the scrimmage last fall, all the seats should just be a lot more comfortable in general.
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Post#11 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:52 am

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Yeah what the hell, I quoted myself :) Fixed it
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Post#12 » by Mags FTW » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:54 am

Compare the BC's upper deck to the tiers at the Kohl Center.
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Notice how the 3rd tier is placed on top of the 2nd one, instead of each row getting farther from the court as you go up. The last row of the 3rd tier is only as far away from the court as the last row of the 2nd tier.
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Post#13 » by El Duderino » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:54 am

First of all the BC has the smallest lower bowl in the NBA. About 11,000. That means there are over 7,000 in the upper (cheap) seats. Simple math tells you if you have more seats in the lower bowl you will have more revenue as those seats cost more.


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So often we hear sporting events are to expensive, but go to a Brewers or Bucks game that's not sold out and it's the cheapest seats that are more empty than the pricey ones. It's those lower bowl or box seats at baseball games that bring in the bulk of attendance revenue for teams. Plus, the upper level seats are really terrible at the BC. Unless it was a playoff game, i'd rather sit at home and watch a game on TV than sit up there even if i got the tickets free.

The BC is clean and plenty serviceable in a general sense for an arena, but in a sports league where money rules all, it's a poor arena at generating income for the Bucks.

It is a joke that all these sports league try and blackmail cities into building arenas/stadiums for them instead of the leagues doing it themselves, but it is what it is. Without a new arena, it's only a matter of when a new city that willing to build an arena will become the Bucks new home. Milwaukee will have to decide how much they want an NBA team here.
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Post#14 » by jerrod » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:55 am

i've never sat that close in my life


anyways, one thing i do like about the bradley center is how it's incorporated into downtown, it's just a bldg on a block, not like the united center surrounded by a parking lot
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Post#15 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:58 am

Having it downtown is fine. There is no need for a large parking lot around it like Miller Park, tailgating isn't much fun in January :)

I would like some nice restaurants and bars to be included in the new building. I like to go out to dinner before a game. It would be great to have some options inside the building so you don't have to go back out into winter after you eat to get to the game. And some fun bars to enjoy after the game without leaving the building.
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Post#16 » by 75totheMACCfund » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:03 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Having it downtown is fine. There is no need for a large parking lot around it like Miller Park, tailgating isn't much fun in January :)

I would like some nice restaurants and bars to be included in the new building. I like to go out to dinner before a game. It would be great to have some options inside the building so you don't have to go back out into winter after you eat to get to the game. And some fun bars to enjoy after the game without leaving the building.


I still think they should have made a better effort to get miller park down on the lakefront somehow...not sure of the logistics on that though
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Post#17 » by THE DINJ » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:04 am

In addition to what's already been mentioned: the seats suck, the lighting sucks, the sound system sucks, the seats at an angle to the court don't point in the right direction, there's not enough grade on the low seats, the amenities suck. Hell, even the Jumbotron sucks, comparatively.

I'd suggest going to somewhere like the Toyota Center in Houston if you want to see what the NBA experience is supposed to be like.

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Post#18 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:10 am

Mags FTW wrote:Compare the BC's upper deck to the tiers at the Kohl Center.
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Notice how the 3rd tier is placed on top of the 2nd one, instead of each row getting farther from the court as you go up. The last row of the 3rd tier is only as far away from the court as the last row of the 2nd tier.


Looks like a great arena. What's the general consensus about that place? Do people like it?
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Post#19 » by zizek » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:38 am

The Kohl Center was designed first for basketball with hockey as a secondary consideration when fund raising went better than expected. The second level is a good place to watch a game from IMO.
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Post#20 » by DH34Phan » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:46 am

SupremeHustle wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Looks like a great arena. What's the general consensus about that place? Do people like it?

Kohl Center, which Herb financed, is a way better place to watch a game.

It would make for a better NBA arena than the BC, IMO.

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