Grange's Perspective on Potential Trades

deep818 · Post #1 » by **deep818** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:16 am

The Raptors don't have many expiring deals to offer. Combining Juan Dixon and Darrick Martin in a deal would allow the Raptors to take back a player earning roughly $4-million (all currency U.S.). In other words, another tool for coach Sam Mitchell's toolbox rather than a difference maker.

The Raptors have long needed a rugged, scoring small forward (Ron Artest? Corey Maggette?) and a ball-chasing, floor-running big man. But they haven't added either yet because they sense that it's simply not their time yet.

I think he's right on the fact that it simply isn't the time for this team to make a bold trade. Unless BC pulls something impossible out of his hat, any huge pick-up still wouldn't make us contenders.

I think most of us want in on the trade deadline excitement, especially this year's, but it simply isn't realistic with the current movable assets.

Not to say that it would be alright for BC to not try to improve the team before the deadline--but those who think that nothing is being done might still think Babcock is our GM.

scobes · Post #2 » by **scobes** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:20 am

I hope you guys realize that Darrick Martin could pull a Devin George on any trade we include him in? God that's a scary thought.

Duncanfan · Post #3 » by **Duncanfan** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:24 am

I love how Jose is now considered part of our young core. Before it was CB-TJ-AB, but JC is a legitimate part of our core now as well.

But I don't agree with Grange. I don't advocate a complete overhaul of the roster, but if a nice piece to the puzzle (ala Artest or Maggette) is out there for the taking, the raps should really consider it. The mild mild east is not always going to remain mild, and we gotta take this opportunity to become better and make some real noise in the east atleast. One major piece like Artest could potentially help us get into the ECF and thats not a bad thing necessarily.

HumbleBumbleBee · Post #4 » by **HumbleBumbleBee** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:25 am

can he pull a stackhouse and come back as a coach in 30 days?

yes, i am a dmart fan!

dagger · Post #5 » by **dagger** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:30 am

Duncanfan wrote:I love how Jose is now considered part of our young core. Before it was CB-TJ-AB, but JC is a legitimate part of our core now as well.

But I don't agree with Grange. I don't advocate a complete overhaul of the roster, but if a nice piece to the puzzle (ala Artest or Maggette) is out there for the taking, the raps should really consider it. The mild mild east is not always going to remain mild, and we gotta take this opportunity to become better and make some real noise in the east atleast. One major piece like Artest could potentially help us get into the ECF and thats not a bad thing necessarily.

It all depends on the price. Maggette may not be on the market. And if Artest is, you'd only want him if the price is really cheap, but we don't have as many expiring contracts as some teams. Since we will have a huge number of expiring deals starting in the summer, it makes more sense to play the field then, rather than now, unless there is a too-good-to-be-true offer out there. Artest, after all, can walk at the end of this season and go play in New York or New Jersey as he has said over and over again he'd like to do.

Brans · Post #6 » by **Brans** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:30 am

If Mike Miller Ron Artest and Cory Maggette get traded to different teams, who left for the Raptors.

What left is out there for the Raptors? And please don't say Lamar Odom.

PHANTOMPHOENIX · Post #7 » by **PHANTOMPHOENIX** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:37 am

Brans wrote:If Mike Miller Ron Artest and Cory Maggette get traded to different teams, who left for the Raptors.

What left is out there for the Raptors? And please don't say Carter.

Fixed

dagger · Post #8 » by **dagger** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:37 am

Brans wrote:If Mike Miller Ron Artest and Cory Maggette get traded to different teams, who left for the Raptors.

What left is out there for the Raptors? And please don't say Lamar Odom.

What's left? Each summer, the list re-sets. Next summer, we have over $20 million in expiring contracts. Come January 2009, some teams will be desperate to open up cap space. The 2009 free agent class looks a lot better than the 2008 class.

Post #9 » by **Rhettmatic** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:42 am

I don't know why people don't include Delfino when discussing the Raptors' expiring deals. I like him and think he plays an important role on the team, but he's still expiring and seems to get often overlooked in the conversation.

CB4-TJ11-AB7 · Post #10 » by **CB4-TJ11-AB7** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:43 am

Rhettmatic wrote:I don't know why people don't include Delfino when discussing the Raptors' expiring deals. I like him and think he plays an important role on the team, but he's still expiring and seems to get often overlooked in the conversation.

Everyone keeps assuming we're going to give him a nice extension. But I'm not sold on it, I agree we need to treat his as an expiring asset.

Illuminati · Post #11 » by **Illuminati** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:45 am

Brans wrote:If Mike Miller Ron Artest and Cory Maggette get traded to different teams, who left for the Raptors.

What left is out there for the Raptors? And please don't say Lamar Odom.

Josh Childress

Trilogy · Post #12 » by **Trilogy** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:46 am

Brans wrote:If Mike Miller Ron Artest and Cory Maggette get traded to different teams, who left for the Raptors.

What left is out there for the Raptors? And please don't say Lamar Odom.

Aren't you a drama queen.

Well, considering we'd have a load of exprings next year and no picks to be owed, we'd probably be able to nab someone good.

New players are going to hit the market in terms of trades. Before this year, you wouldn't have thought a guy like Shaq would get traded (although, I was personally of the belief that Miami was going to suck) but it happened.

I can see a guy like Redd being available next year if Milwaukee doesn't pull themselves out of a terrible situation. I'm not a huge fan of Redd, but theres a high calibre player for you.

Players can fall out of favour very quickly.

The way some people go on around here you'd think that we we're eternally screwed if we don't make a move at this deadline.

In terms of assets, our prime time is next year. This ain't like Chicago last year where they wasted a big expiring in PJ Brown and held onto too many of their young players. We've got time on our side for now. We're just starting to build something here. Have a little patience.

With all that said, I still would be very open to a trade occuring, just for the sake of excitement. Mike Miller being the most plausible candidate in terms of what we'd possibly have to give up and the calibre of player we'd be receiving.

Duncanfan · Post #13 » by **Duncanfan** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:49 am

Illuminati wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Josh Childress

Childress is a role player much like Delfino and Moon. He's not the kinda guy who can take over if need be.. We need a dominant player playing the 3 for us. I agree with Dagger, next year we'll have good amount of expiring contracts and big juicy one in Rasho. But I don't know if there would be many 7-8 mill per year SF's like Artest and Maggette available.

omeloon · Post #14 » by **omeloon** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:52 am

When talking about clear upgrades like Miller and Artest, we should definitely be mentioning Delfino's name.

Like I've mentioned before, I just don't see our ending contracts getting us that much next year. There are quite a few teams with a nice bunch of ending deals. If we can get a reasonably young starter, now might be the best time to make a move.

How many teams are going to be looking to blow things up next season? The Kings, Grizzlies, and 76ers already did. Pretty much every team in the NBA is either gunning for a title or already have their plans set. Are the Rockets going to shop T-Mac? big deal. Pacers going to be willing to give up Dunleavy, Murphy, and/or Jermaine? big deal. If Elton Brand became available, would we really be willing to give up what it takes to get him?? Washington won't give up their best player in Butler. Milwaukee might be willing to ship out Redd... would we really want him and his contract over Mike Miller??

Traveler · Post #15 » by **Traveler** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:53 am

Brans wrote:If Mike Miller Ron Artest and Cory Maggette get traded to different teams, who left for the Raptors.

What left is out there for the Raptors? And please don't say Lamar Odom.

Just to throw in a name, Shawn Marion will be a free agent in the summer of 2009. And if Miami doesn't get much better next season, he could easily be shopped around by this same time next year, just when we will be in an ideal situation to make trades with all our expirings...

Hank_Scorpio · Post #16 » by **Hank_Scorpio** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:55 am

I've been saying all season that this year is not the year to make deals. Sure, if something comes along that works, then great, but otherwise, the Raps will be in a much better position to make trades in the offseason and next year - which coincides nicely with the rebuilding plan, IMHO.

This year is all about solidifying the foundation - and I'm not even really talking about players - more about the attitude and perspective of the franchise.

Last year was the turnaround.

This year is about setting the ideals in place.

Next year is about transition - moving out some of the pieces and bringing in some new parts to build on going forward..

The following year is about competing for a championship - or tearing it all out and starting over.

omeloon · Post #17 » by **omeloon** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:57 am

Best case scenario next season: at least two of Kirilenko, Brand, Redd, Richard Jefferson, and/or Rip/Prince are made available.

yucatan87 · Post #18 » by **yucatan87** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:01 am

Traveler wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Just to throw in a name, Shawn Marion will be a free agent in the summer of 2009. And if Miami doesn't get much better next season, he could easily be shopped around by this same time next year, just when we will be in an ideal situation to make trades with all our expirings...

They'll trade Marion for young talent or a bevy of 1st round picks. Why would they trade an expiring contract for other expiring contracts?

We're lucky that we have the complete opposite needs as the Cavs pretty much, since they're the only team that can match our expirings next year with Eric Snow, Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones coming off the book. (Not including superstars like Kidd and Iverson or young talent like Paul, Roy etc.)

Seattle has Sczerbiak and Kurt Thomas expiring for around $20 million next year, but I would think they'd just let them expire. Portland has LaFrentz at $12 million expiring.

omeloon · Post #19 » by **omeloon** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:02 am

Yeah, no way we have a shot at trading for Marion... unless we had a guy like Mike Miller/Artest to package along with the expiring deals *wink, wink*

dagger · Post #20 » by **dagger** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:06 am

The funny thing about this bi-polar board is that a couple of months ago, when Mike Miller's name was mentionned, not 1% of posters were interested, but now that there are a lot of deals happening, it seems everybody doesn't want to be left out and suddenly Miller and his ugly contract are like beautiful swans. How soon some of you forget what we really need is an athletic slasher type who can create his own shot and defend his position. Miller is none of that.

Fact is, BC has a general plan, has a long-term view of our salary cap, and can afford to be patient. Most of the West teams will have no major expiring deals this summer and next season. Lamar Odom is the exception, but he's a value player the Lakers would like to swap for a conventional small forward. Given our expirings this summer, and good salary cap situation the following season (09-10), we can do a lot of wheeling and dealing, or hold for cap space.

Also, there are a lot of restricted free agents who didn't sign extensions and some may wish to take their team's qualifying offer and test unrestricted free agency in 2010, which gives their teams an incentive to consider trading them in order to get some value for them.