Trade deadline comin soon.. Do warriors make a deal?

[thetrueth]

i dont think anyone here wants Wright to get less minutes or play the same number of minutes he's currently playing. But its certainly not enough of a reason to fire nellie, he's done a LOT of good but no one expects him to be perfect. Do i wish he would put more trust in the young bigs, sure. Am i gonna discredit the rest of the positives he's brought to our franchise, certainly not.

[EJS99]

I really don't think the Warriors are going to get involved in any major moves by the trade deadline. Like it or not, this could be the team for the rest of the season.

[St.Nick]

Mylie - I still hold out a little optimism in our coach... maybe, just maybe, when the trade deadline passes, Wright becomes used a lot more... its very doubtful, but its the last shred of faith I have in Nellie being an actual coach and not just a construction worker.

What does that mean....a construction worker?

And do you dispute the dozens of professional players and coaches that complement Nelson for being a great coach? I mean, sure, you are a part-time big man coach for a high school team and all, but do you really think that your opinion carries more weight than theirs?

For some reason, I think you actually do believe that it does.

[turk3d]

I really think Nellie was messing with the lineup in order to get to believe that they had to make another move in order to keep their playoff hopes alive, hence statements such as "we are not a playoff team" has been resonating from him almost this entire season. Fortunately for us, it didn't work since we were able to "luck out" a few wins (in spite of some very bad games) to end the first half in a winning mode (12 games over .500 and still tied for a playoff spot). I say lucky for us or he might have convinced them to allow him to move Wright or even Beans.

I just hope that whatever we give up, it's not Baron, Beans, Wright, Monta or Jack. Take the rest of our squad , the TPE and our #1 pick even and trade any combination of them and I'll take it if it's going to improve us for the second half. I just don't want any of the top five to go for another wing.

[FNQ]

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What does that mean....a construction worker?

And do you dispute the dozens of professional players and coaches that complement Nelson for being a great coach? I mean, sure, you are a part-time big man coach for a high school team and all, but do you really think that your opinion carries more weight than theirs?

For some reason, I think you actually do believe that it does.

No... I just dont like to be oblivious to things... its a weakness

It means all he is good at is tearing down teams and rebuilding them... you want to make that building profitable? Good? Great? You don't hire the construction worker to manage it just because he build the damn thing

[St.Nick]

But you are being oblivious.

Don Nelson is a very well respected coach, a hall of famer, a guy that has us in the midst of our most successful season in over 16 seasons. But you seem to think that you are one of the few with a "true vision" of him being some sort of kook.

I know its fun to go against the grain bc if you are right you look like a genius. But when you are wrong, it does make you look absolutely silly. So far, your view on the issue of Don Nelson falls decidedly into the latter rather than the former.

[FNQ]

I know its fun to go against the grain bc if you are right you look like a genius. But when you are wrong, it does make you look absolutely silly. So far, your view on the issue of Don Nelson falls decidedly into the latter rather than the former.

Based on your history w/people such as myself then, you should blindly follow my opinions on anything I say... hell, I act just like a HoF coach!

[St.Nick]

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Based on your history w/people such as myself then, you should blindly follow my opinions on anything I say... hell, I act just like a HoF coach!

That doesn't really make any sense.

[FNQ]

I didnt think I'd have to spell it out...

Nellie's a regular season genius

I can't wait to see the W's put the banner they get for having a 50 win season up in the rafters...

[St.Nick]

I didnt think I'd have to spell it out...

Nellie's a regular season genius

I can't wait to see the W's put the banner they get for having a 50 win season up in the rafters...

Right...I forgot. If we aren't winning a championship then we're just spinning our wheels.

You do realize how extreme of an opinion this is, right?

[FNQ]

I guess I realize how extreme it would be if it hadnt happened 4 times already?

Is it more extreme to expect whats happened 4 times or to expect this time to be different?

[St.Nick]

I guess I realize how extreme it would be if it hadnt happened 4 times already?

Is it more extreme to expect whats happened 4 times or to expect this time to be different?

Guess how many coaches have won a championship in the past 20 years.

Six.

That's right, six coaches out of hundreds and hundreds of NBA coaches have won a title in the past 20 seasons.

Are you willing to say that all of these other coaches were unsuccessful bc they don't have a ring?

You see, its simply not a good point to make when trying to say that Don Nelson is a bad coach for this team. What is far more apparent in judging Nellie is how we have gone from crap to success only since Nellie has arrived. Is this success a coincidence?

[FNQ]

Good God Nick...

Just copy and paste this... I'm 200% sick of repeating the same stuff to you over and over as you just either omit it from your memory...

Nellie takes crappy squads and makes them better. He does this by finding players most coaches have no use for, and turns them into decent role players in a gimmicky brand of basketball.

He is good at rebuilding teams very quickly. However, every single time he rebuilds a team, he leaves it in a stalemate of having good guards with no interior presence and in such a state where the teams usually need to re-rebuild.

But again... if you are happy ignoring the past, thats fine... the Bucks had to rebuild to recover, the Warriors got knocked into obscurity immediately, the Mavs are stuck in a stalemate which is only being worsened by being impatient (but they also only had the 1 trading chip in Harris)... and we're following on the same path.

The simple "winning makes the franchise better" argument is short-sighted... and in Nellie's case, flat out wrong..

[TB]

at least this time when nellie leaves, our next coach will have AB and Wright to work with...

glass half full baby... glass half full.

[FNQ]

at least this time when nellie leaves, our next coach will have AB and Wright to work with...

glass half full baby... glass half full.

Our next coach is Keith Smart... he's a relative unknown but you have to believe Nellie's going to appoint someone who believes the same thing he does...

If its in 2008, all the better... Smart will either flop or use the big men, either way, the quicker Nellie leaves, the better...

If he leaves later, who knows what could happen... AB + Wright being on the roster sure isn't a foregone conclusion..

[TB]

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Our next coach is Keith Smart... he's a relative unknown but you have to believe Nellie's going to appoint someone who believes the same thing he does...

If its in 2008, all the better... Smart will either flop or use the big men, either way, the quicker Nellie leaves, the better...

If he leaves later, who knows what could happen... AB + Wright being on the roster sure isn't a foregone conclusion..

maybe im just being a homer (which i am), but i really feel like between Smart and Silas, one of them is gonna emerge as an above average head coach. I mean, smart only failed in Cleveland due to a terrible situation, in fact, that may help him for his next stint.

As for silas, for his age his resume is immense. And not just in coaching, he really has worked hard in many aspects of the business of basketball.

And im not on the "fire nellie" bandwagon, i just understand that, even if he succeeds, he is gonna be done within the next few years. Smart/Silas will be our coach for the Monta/AB/wright era, and i think they can do a great job.

[St.Nick]

Good God Nick...

Just copy and paste this... I'm 200% sick of repeating the same stuff to you over and over as you just either omit it from your memory...

Nellie takes crappy squads and makes them better. He does this by finding players most coaches have no use for, and turns them into decent role players in a gimmicky brand of basketball.

He is good at rebuilding teams very quickly. However, every single time he rebuilds a team, he leaves it in a stalemate of having good guards with no interior presence and in such a state where the teams usually need to re-rebuild.

But again... if you are happy ignoring the past, thats fine... the Bucks had to rebuild to recover, the Warriors got knocked into obscurity immediately, the Mavs are stuck in a stalemate which is only being worsened by being impatient (but they also only had the 1 trading chip in Harris)... and we're following on the same path.

The simple "winning makes the franchise better" argument is short-sighted... and in Nellie's case, flat out wrong..

After Nellie departed didn't Dallas nearly win the NBA Finals and then win 67 games the following season? Yes, they did.

Do you really think that the Bucks regret the Nellie years? They made the playoffs eight years in a row and won their division seven times in a row.

Do Warriors fans regret the first Nellie era? My guess is a big NO.

Of course his team's had to rebuild after he left (not including Dallas, of course). Usually when a new coach comes in they bring a new philosophy and therefore a new set of players. It's completely normal and does not point to Nelson being some sort of franchise destroyer. In fact, he saves franchises and gives them success (as you have admitted).

Just because he hasn't won the championship does not mean that he is not a great coach. As I said before, which you conveniently ignored, only six coaches in the past 20 years have won a championship. Does this mean that all of these other, non-championship winning coaches were not successful? No, all it means is that they didn't have Hakeem/MJ/Shaq/Duncan on their team.

BTW, if Webber hadn't been such a prima donna with us the first go-round I can bet you that his team would have challenged for a championship in time.

Anyways, I think you are really using a flawed argument to try to detract from Nellie's accomplishments and success. If you'd prefer to have Monty back, playing his lotto pick POB, then thats on you.

[Twinkie defense]

510:

Don Nelson = fool's gold

Montgomery + Patrick O'Bryant = not fool's gold

510 may be the only Warriors fan, literally, who prefers Mike Montgomery + Patrick O'Bryant to Don Nelson + whoever.

If there are any others, please declare yourselves now!

[FNQ]

510:

Don Nelson = fool's gold

Montgomery + Patrick O'Bryant = not fool's gold

510 may be the only Warriors fan, literally, who prefers Mike Montgomery + Patrick O'Bryant to Don Nelson + whoever.

If there are any others, please declare yourselves now!

There goes the homer patrol again... make up facts, its the only way to go

So when I say Monty was correct in tabbing the Suns as fools gold type of team, I unknowingly threw myself into the re-hire Monty bandwagon

Man oh man... the characters here are just hilarious

BTW... wouldn't the Suns recent acquisition of Shaq be a giant white flag to all teams trying this C-less run-n-gun smallball? Not our coach though... he's far too much of a genius and not silly at all, he's gonna stay the course that has provided much success in the past

Dallas got hot in the playoffs... good for them, ran into a talented duo and got floored by them. Since then? Nada. Previously? Same thing... one good thing amidst a sea of mediocrity = an aberration...

You aren't a real championship contender if you lose to a gimmicky team like us in the playoffs...

[FNQ]

BTW... it was all Webber's fault... not Nellie Oh man Nick... I dont think I can even do it anymore... Have a good season bud!