Trade Deadline Guide

orl1724 · Post #21 » by **orl1724** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:49 am

MagicFan3 wrote::rofl: @ Kirilenko for Hedo, that's disgusting.

I hope you mean nasty as in we get a sick trade and kill the Jazz right?

Shishnizzle · Post #22 » by **Shishnizzle** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:56 am

For AK47 maybe, but for a washed up Ron Artest, no freaking way.

cwas2882 · Post #23 » by **cwas2882** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:03 am

Using the ****NEW***** ESPN Trade Machine !!!11!!!11!
Trading Hedo, Garrity and either Redick or Bogans or Arroyo or Dooling for AK47 and Ronnie Price drops our projected wins either 10.6% or 14.5%.

Just food for thought.

TheRevTy · Post #24 » by **TheRevTy** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:06 am

I swear, sometimes I feel like Andrei Kirilenko's agent after defending him on various message boards.

He is not a SF. He is playing SF for a coach who treats him like a piece of meat and tells him to shut up about ability and do as he is told. He can play very well, especially at PF. He proved this in 03-04 and 05-06, before Boozer arrived and when Boozer was hurt. He proved it again this summer when he was MVP of the EuroBasket tourney. He is a legit 16 pt, 8 rbd, 4 ast, 3 block, and a steal per game guy. Every night he is a threat for a 5x5. He is a one of a kind talent that is not being properly used. He has tremendous skills, and though he has been playing alright, more is expected of him.

Sound like someone we know? Rashard and Hedo have fallen into the old Grant-Hedo trap. They take away from each other's game. Shard would blossom, as he has shown, in the absence of Hedo. Adding AK-47 would balance our team defensively and offensively.

It would hurt to see Hedo gone, and it theoretically leaves us with a big hole to fill, but Rashard, freed of playing out of position and having to differ, would flourish and fill the offensive hole.

I would do backflips if we pulled this trade off.

Idunkonyou2 · Post #25 » by **Idunkonyou2** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:09 am

There is no way in hell we trade Hedo right now considering he is basically our 2nd best player.

TheRevTy · Post #26 » by **TheRevTy** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:20 am

Another person to look at may be Travis Outlaw. He seems to be in the mold of Kirilenko and is young. And no, he is not a SF. Look it up. He plays almost all of his minutes at the 4. He could be a fairly low-cost option that turns into a long-term solution.

orl1724 · Post #27 » by **orl1724** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:34 am

TheRevTy wrote:I swear, sometimes I feel like Andrei Kirilenko's agent after defending him on various message boards.

He is not a SF. He is playing SF for a coach who treats him like a piece of meat and tells him to shut up about ability and do as he is told. He can play very well, especially at PF. He proved this in 03-04 and 05-06, before Boozer arrived and when Boozer was hurt. He proved it again this summer when he was MVP of the EuroBasket tourney. He is a legit 16 pt, 8 rbd, 4 ast, 3 block, and a steal per game guy. Every night he is a threat for a 5x5. He is a one of a kind talent that is not being properly used. He has tremendous skills, and though he has been playing alright, more is expected of him.

Sound like someone we know? Rashard and Hedo have fallen into the old Grant-Hedo trap. They take away from each other's game. Shard would blossom, as he has shown, in the absence of Hedo. Adding AK-47 would balance our team defensively and offensively.

It would hurt to see Hedo gone, and it theoretically leaves us with a big hole to fill, but Rashard, freed of playing out of position and having to differ, would flourish and fill the offensive hole.

I would do backflips if we pulled this trade off.

You are a cool guy. Nice to see someone notice that Shard could be averaging like 23 ppg. Also if AK was here Dwight wouldn't have to waste all his energy on defense because AK would be there.AK is also a great passer who with Shard Dwight and Jameer would probably average like 5 ast not to mention 8-10 rebs 15-18 ppg about 2 blks 2stls this guy is a 5cat beast!

TheRevTy · Post #28 » by **TheRevTy** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:43 am

Thanks.

Does anyone else see the Hedo-Grant, Hedo-Rashard similarities? They just seem to step on each other's toes. And, more often than not, Mr. Lewis lets Mr. Turkoglu have his fun. That has to be frustrating for Shard.

MagicFan149 · Post #29 » by **MagicFan149** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:19 pm

i think that lewis is playing second fiddle to turk... he is just letting turk get his ... lewis is great at playing off the ball and not forcing anything..... i feel that lewis probably wouldnt be quite the playmaker that hedo is but shard is definately capable of stepping his game up.

KingRobb02 · Post #30 » by **KingRobb02** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:09 pm

TheRevTy wrote:Another person to look at may be Travis Outlaw. He seems to be in the mold of Kirilenko and is young. And no, he is not a SF. Look it up. He plays almost all of his minutes at the 4. He could be a fairly low-cost option that turns into a long-term solution.

No way we are getting Travis Outlaw from Portland unless we knock their socks off with a great deal like giving them Turk and Jameer for Jack and Outlaw.

I still think AK would be great for us since there is no way Miami trades us U. Haslem. I've been saying since July that Rashard Lewis and Hedo turkoglu are basically duplication, and I still think that one of them should go, if it provides us with a better team. I have been saying for weeks that we should trade Hedo, while his value is still sky high, but if there is a way that we can get rid of Rashard in the deal instead, I would be all for it.

For everyone who keeps saying that Hedo is our 2nd best player and there is no way that we trade him, isn't that what we gave Rashard all that money for? What do you think Hedo's agent is doing right now? He is probably salivating at the fact that he can probably milk us for like 75% of what we gave Rashard. Agents are greedy, and I guarantee that this one good season, will cost us a lot in the end. I just fear that we will have a situation this summer where Turk's agent demands an extension and then threatens to let him holdout if we don't cooperate.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #31 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:15 pm

AK47 is absolutely a superior all around player than Turk...no question about it.

I don't understand why Utah would do it to be honest. They are playing amazing basketball ever since they got Kyle Korver. That allowed AK47 to play more PF and gave them a floor stretching SF....why would they want Hedo now?

OrlandoMagic · Post #32 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:19 pm

I agree that Hedos value is at the highest point it will ever get. And I also agree without Hedo Shard would be averaging way better than he is now. But in all honesty we could do better than AK47. Though I do like AK47 I think we might be able to grab something that is more worthy. Unless somehow we can end up with Brewer as well.

OrlandoMagic · Post #33 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:20 pm

TheRevTy wrote:Thanks.

Does anyone else see the Hedo-Grant, Hedo-Rashard similarities? They just seem to step on each other's toes. And, more often than not, Mr. Lewis lets Mr. Turkoglu have his fun. That has to be frustrating for Shard.

Agreed

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #34 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:49 pm

If Hedo+expirings+JJ+Picks could land us a STAR PG then I would be all for it. That is about the only instance I could see being OK with trading him.

TheRevTy · Post #35 » by **TheRevTy** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:00 pm

Andrei has played a whopping 5% of Utah's available minutes at PF. Korver mostly plays SG for them.

While I think the fact that the Jazz are playing so well would definitely deter them from making a deal, one of the biggest draws for them in this deal is they cut some MAJOR salary. Not to mention that Andrei still wants out, and it's not like Sloan suddenly fell in love with the guy when ownership decided not to trade him this summer. When I saw them interact, it was clear that they hate each other. Sloan is a hard, emotionless prick who can't fathom someone who would complain simply because he wasn't having fun. Andrei loathes playing for him. Both parties involved would be so much happier if this trade were made. Utah gets a real SF on the cheap, Andrei gets freedom to play the way he should while enjoying the game, Orlando gets a big-name player who not only will put buts in the seats but can fill the stat sheet and the win column. Hooray, everyone is happy!

But would Utah risk such a big move when they are rolling?

mhectorgato · Post #36 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:04 pm

TheRevTy wrote:Andrei has played a whopping 5% of Utah's available minutes at PF. Korver mostly plays SG for them.

They've got Boozer and Okur, so he's the odd man out in PF.

TheRevTy wrote:Utah gets a real SF on the cheap, Andrei gets freedom to play the way he should while enjoying the game

Part of the issue with AK (as far as the commentators say) is that he just floats around rather than really operating within the scheme of the offense. Seems like SVG's looser style would work well.

TheRevTy wrote:Orlando gets a big-name player who not only will put buts in the seats but can fill the stat sheet and the win column. Hooray, everyone is happy!

Plus Utah already has a Turk on their team, so they would get another.

How big of a Russian population is there in Orlando?

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #37 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:04 pm

Unless a deal comes along that is absolutely amazing and a deal that cannot be refused, there is no reason to trade a player that is really helping your team win...and that is what Hedo is doing for us & AK47 is doing for them. No reason for either team to make the trade.

There are PF's out there to be had for our expirings where we can keep Hedo. That is the route to go.

mhectorgato · Post #38 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:12 pm

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:Unless a deal comes along that is absolutely amazing and a deal that cannot be refused, there is no reason to trade a player that is really helping your team win...and that is what Hedo is doing for us & AK47 is doing for them. No reason for either team to make the trade.

There are PF's out there to be had for our expirings where we can keep Hedo. That is the route to go.

PF with expirings = mediocre.
AK = good PF.

KingRobb02 · Post #39 » by **KingRobb02** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:13 pm

If the Shawn Marion trade has taught us anything, it is that teams are willing to trade unhappy players, even if they are winning. Utah would not let a win streak in January deter them from making a move that would help chemistry.

TheRevTy · Post #40 » by **TheRevTy** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:15 pm

mhec, don't forget Millsap. Kirilenko has no chance of getting significant minutes at his natural position with the Jazz.

He is best when anchored to the basket. He works best as a kind of goalie. His presence would alleviate so much pressure off of Dwight. Guys like Haslem and Wilcox contribute by boxing out their man and putting another big body out there to bang with. Andrei provides a security blanket for even Dwight. Plus, he is so quick and long that even if he helps Dwight and Andrei's man gets a pass, there's still a chance of affecting the shot. Not to mention with Dwight banging down low, Andrei can use those go-go-gadget arms to grab rebounds that we currently hope Jameer, Mo, Shard, or Hedo come up with somehow.

PLEASE OTIS, AT LEAST LOOK INTO THIS!

I just hope Otis reads Chad Ford...