Next Up, Vince...

[dacher]

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Please once this guy did not get his contract ext. he pick up his ball and went home.

Pouting!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Baby's Cryin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope. It's mainly because the team quit playing defense. I've never seen a Nets Kidd the team defend so poorly. And that's on his teammates.

He's going get his max extension in Dallas. I believe he would have taken $10 mil'yr extension Ratner offered if the team didn't play suck a$$ looser ball in the NBA worst Atlantic Division. You do remember the team barely struggled to 41-41 last season? By Kidd's career standards, less than 50 wins is a bad season.

[Netaman]

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Ok you need excellent MGT and to be lucky enough to get a high pick. So in BOS for a while we had neither. If we landed the #2 pick last Paul Pierce is gone, we take Kevin Durant and still have Al jefferson. This year is another 30 win year for us. So you have to be lucky and good. That is a tough combo.

I agree. You have to be lucky and good. That is pretty much true in every sport except the NFL (where you can be successful by just being good, one of the reasons it is the best sport at the moment). The only thing I would say is that the Nets are getting to the point (with expirings, future picks, and young players) that they can move up in the draft to get a player they target (within reason). Obviously nobody is going to trade off of Beasley, but in the past few years guys like Rudy Gay, Brandon Roy, Andrew Bynum, and Danny Granger were all sitting there for there taking between picks 6-15.

Admittedly I haven't looked at this year's draft crop in any depth, so I am going on the assumption that it is similar in talent to the last few seasons, but not quite as top heavy as last year.

[MrDollarBills]

Kidd got double digit millions from this team in one season and he started crying like a child...i hope he's not instilling those kind of values into that extra large head that resides on his son's neck!!

[bruno sundov]

There is nothing worse than being in BA limbo. That area where you suck but not enough to get a good high pick. BOS was there forever it seemed. Good luck with this trade i hope it works for you guys.

[mack69]

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Nope. It's mainly because the team quit playing defense. I've never seen a Nets Kidd the team defend so poorly. And that's on his teammates.

He's going get his max extension in Dallas. I believe he would have taken $10 mil'yr extension Ratner offered if the team didn't play suck a$$ looser ball in the NBA worst Atlantic Division. You do remember the team barely struggled to 41-41 last season? By Kidd's career standards, less than 50 wins is a bad season.

You make it seem that this year he was only person playing defense. As much I will miss this guy he was completely driven by his ego IMO he wanted no less than 18 mi because of how much the value team has increased during his tenure.

[Samuel]

You guys do know that Carter has been unhealthy all year right?At the beginning of the year,the media and the team were talking about how hard he worked on his game in the off-season and could possibly have his best season.

Unfortunately he's been struggling with injuries and the hasn't been getting his touches this year.I believe that he's taking 3,4 less shots a game than the previous years(hence the 3,4 points of his points).

He hasn't been great at all but it is understandable when you have been playing on one leg.His shotting % is quite good at about 45% right?

I think that Thorne should wait till the end of the season to see what to do with Vince.The east is wide open and maybe we could do something this year,Since VC came to NJ all the teams that beat them in the playoffs went to the finals.

[dacher]

Sigh, I remember arguing with enetric against tanking for lottery position, and the lottery was overrated. This was back during VC signing season.

Lottery is exactly that. You are giving up playoff experience and fan enjoyment, playoff money, for a long-shot at a franchise player, no matter how high the pick. And even picking a franchise player, you might be so bad, have such a deep culture of losing, with no good free agents prospects, actually becoming a good team can still be many years away. So bad that your franchise player might even ditch you for another team.

And there are other ways to get great players ... just outright sign them as free agents or trade for them, or do a great job scouting.

[S.I.C. GM]

Me personally, the VC diggs are old becuase when he is playing great. You dont hear nothing from the nut gallery.

I see no appeciation for a guy who has played with a bad ankle. A coach who tailored a playbook to compensate the third best player on the team. Which is debatable one when Nenad is healthy.

Everybody wants a Kobe, Wade or Lebron two of these guys won a championships with Shaq and one lost to Duncan.

I'll take my chances with a reluctant superstar who tries to work within the program and does not get in trouble with NY club scene, who is not accused with choking somebody.

The wifebeater name calling is classless because I am not thinking about it during the game. So I will not lower myself to use that to make an argument. But Kidd did give up on the team!!!!!!!!

I hope Thorn opinion is to let VC stay and work with this team and probably get a legit PF. if it doesn't work then break it up.

First, Mac this doesnt apply to me. I bash him and FRANK win or lose.

Second, What does one thing have to do with the other? It is all about what he does on the court. If the was case, You dont like most of the superstars past or present because most of them have had some off the court issues. They are human. I am pretty sure a bunch of us here on Realgm have had run ins with the law whether justified or not.

[ecuhus1981]

No to the Carter-for-McGrady swap.

First of all, it'd be a little heartless to trade cousins for one another. Secondly, for all the "no heart" talk about Vince, he is much less injury-prone than Tracy, and plays better when playing through pain than T-Mac.

Also, as I have often mentioned, McGrady has an opt-out that he is looking to exercise next summer. We may end up having to give him a Pierce-ish extension (3 years, $60mil) or watch him walk for nothing (Isaiah would offer him that kind of $, if no one else). Carter's not the best player out there, but I'd rather have him than have to re-sign Mr. Glass at an outrageous price, or take a 14-month rental with nothing to show for it.

[etopn23]

The main reason i'd trade VC for McGrady is that he is definitely going to opt out next season - he is for sure going to have a career year to insure another max contract.

Just like Vince, the injuries seem to occur less often when he has something substantial to play for ($). If could trade VC for McGrady and he can stay healthy it'd be a steal.

[JustOneFix]

Have anyone heard of Nuggets - Nets rumor? A source from one Nuggets forum is having some info about Nets offering VC for Nene + pick or something like that.

What the Nets fans has to say about that?

[The_Cut]

Have anyone heard of Nuggets - Nets rumor? A source from one Nuggets forum is having some info about Nets offering VC for Nene + pick or something like that.

What the Nets fans has to say about that?

any sources for that one?!

[MrDollarBills]

VC for Nene?

isn't Nene sick right now? no way.

[EFF]

no.

I wouldn't do it for JO let alone Nene. I don't know why we are still talking about getting bigs without using our current ones in the trades. Do we just want the NBA's tallest team? It would be a logjam at the 4-5 spots no matter how awesome Frank is at managing rotations.

[EFF]

if ure banking on his contract year which we might have to give him to make a mcgrady trade pay off, ure a damn fool. Vince got his contract. Now look what happened. Mcgrady is a guy always contemplating retirement. What do you want him for? one good year if that? As far as basketball is concerned he is way too unstable. He's never been on a winning team either. Might as well stick with vince if for no other reason than to save the hassle and paperwork.

[HotShots]

Trade ID #4524559

New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +6.3 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +2.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG / PG from Michigan
20.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 41.7 minutes
Fred Jones
6-2 SG from Oregon
6.5 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.4 apg in 25.6 minutes
Outgoing Players
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
20.5 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 5.2 apg in 38.4 minutes
New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -6.3 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and -2.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
20.5 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 5.2 apg in 38.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG / PG from Michigan
20.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 41.7 minutes
Fred Jones
6-2 SG from Oregon
6.5 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.4 apg in 25.6 minutes



Plus NY's lottery protected 1st rounder.


F Jones expiring.......Crawfords half the money.

[RJ 24]

Trade ID #4524559

New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +6.3 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +2.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG / PG from Michigan
20.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 41.7 minutes
Fred Jones
6-2 SG from Oregon
6.5 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.4 apg in 25.6 minutes
Outgoing Players
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
20.5 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 5.2 apg in 38.4 minutes
New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -6.3 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and -2.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
20.5 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 5.2 apg in 38.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG / PG from Michigan
20.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 41.7 minutes
Fred Jones
6-2 SG from Oregon
6.5 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.4 apg in 25.6 minutes



Plus NY's lottery protected 1st rounder.


F Jones expiring.......Crawfords half the money.

I doubt the Knicks trade a draft pick for the next 5 years. Do they even have any more that are elgible for trade?

[HotShots]

Yeah they do its about that time for Thomas to trade a pick. LOL

Here is some news.

Nets may not be done dealing
Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 8:04 am EST

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Meanwhile, the New Jersey Nets will continue to wheel until Thursday's 3 p.m. deadline according to the New York Post.

Sources throughout the league say Kiki Vandeweghe is generating a heated rush of discussions involving Jermaine O'Neal, Jamaal Tinsley, Mike Miller and Nene.

Source: New York Post

Related: Mike Miller, Jermaine O'Neal, New Jersey Nets

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Kiki working the phones............I may finally get VC for Nene. LOL......I have been wanting this before they got AI. I doubt it.......but it's great news that Kiki is at work.

[Rich Rane]

Why would we want Nene again?

2007-2008 - $8,840,000
2008-2009 - $9,680,000
2009-2010 - $10,520,000
2010-2011 - $11,360,000
2011-2012 - $11,600,000 (Player's Option)

[HotShots]

Why would we want Nene again?

2007-2008 - $8,840,000
2008-2009 - $9,680,000
2009-2010 - $10,520,000
2010-2011 - $11,360,000
2011-2012 - $11,600,000 (Player's Option)

I know I was just joking. It's the wrong time for Nene.

VC for a cheaper SG Crawford or Ben...etc.