Fire Coach K, we need a veteran leader

[EastSideBucksFan]

I am aiming this thread at the a$$hats who run this joke of an organization.

Herb Kohl, Ron Walters, this means you!



I just want to vent my frustration as a Milwaukee Bucks fan who has had to watch Herb Kohl nickel and dime and pinch pennies on coaches ever since he was "burned" by his most recent real head coach George Karl.

First Terry Porter, then Terry Stotts and now Larry Krystkowiak.

None of those guys would've secured a head coaching job from another franchise, yet they all got an opportunity because they had "ties" to our organization or city/state.

You know what? I really don't care about ties into our past when looking at a head coach. I want the best man available for the job.

As as fan I am sick and tired of listening to LK say things like "I've learned alot this year"...."There's things I wish went differently"......"This is my first year so I'm bound to make some mistakes"

You put a rookie head coach in charge of a rookie team.

Bad combination

I don't expect one qualified candidate to have any desire to come in here and clean up LK's mess. You will have to wait until the offseason.


Let me just use an analogy. If you bought a Bentley, would you hire a 16 year old kid with no driving experience take it down the road? No, you would hire someone who knows what they are doing.


How many more rookie coaches will it take for you to understand that this route plainly does not work? Unless you are able to catch lightning in a bottle and find a rookie head coach on the verge of being something special, but then you have to stick with them. We have not found such a coach.

It is time to go out, find a real coach, with a history of winning.

Bring him in and let him coach. That means Herb stays the hell out of the way and lets him do his job.

Unfortunately the book is out on the Herb Kohl management style so no real, qualified coaches want to come here to deal with this nitpicking.

After Bogut's rookie year I bought a ten pack of tickets and also went to 8 additional games.

In Bogut's second year I went to about 14 games.

This year, I have attended three games. The only other games I will be attending are the Boston Celtics games when they are in Milwaukee and at those games I will be wearing my Celtics jersey. Never in my years did I think I would care less about this franchise than I do right now.

I will continue down this path of apathy and removing my dollars from the Bucks organization until they institute a winning culture and a quality product on the floor.


When a team doesn't work you tend to have to look at the coaching/management or players.

While the players need to shoulder plenty of the blame, I refuse to believe that every single one of our players is this bad. The only one who has really improved his game this year is Andrew Bogut.


I am 100% convinced that if we had a guy like Rick Carlisle, Jeff Van Gundy, or Stan Van Gundy on the sideline we would be in the hunt for the playoffs.

I am begging you, pleading you, find us a real coach that knows what he is doing and knows how to win.

Then let him coach.

You will not regret it.

[schweig]

If it is true that he felt a weigh-in was the best way to come back from this badly-needed break, I agree, can his ass right now.

These guys needed some good food, rest and to get a little faith back in their games, not to work like there was no break at all. It's not like you can pull an Oliver Miller over one long weekend.

[raferfenix]

Agreed we need a leader on the side lines horribly. We need someone who can stand up not only to the massive egos on our team (if we decide not to trade em), but also to Herb Kohl's meddling.

I'd kill to get Jeff Van Gundy here, but I doubt he or any established coach would want to work for Kohl. Maybe if we severely overpaid them and gave them the power to make roster moves it coudl change things.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I think the record books should speak for themself.

When we had a good coach we won more than we did across the board than we did with rookie coaches.

Surely he has to remember back to the success (albeit shortlived) that the 2001 Bucks experienced.

We had tons of egos on that team too. Difference was we won....until we messed it all up trading Scott and bring in A Mason. That tipped the scales in the wrong direction.


But we have not won under any rookie coaches. Period. You can't argue that. It hasn't work and it will continue to not work. So why don't we fix the problem.

Honestly, bring me Jim Obrien over LK. Obrien has the Pacers playing pretty decent basketball without J Oneal and Tinsley.


We just can't keep bringing in these guys who haven't ever been a head coach, give them a year or two and expect them to win right away. It's stupid.

We would've been better off leaving Terry Porter on the bench. He would've had 4 years experience by now.


I just fail to understand how you can invest $90M in Redd, $52 in Mo, $47M in Bobby, $36M in Gadz, $20M in Bogut, $18M in Bell, $10M in Mason and then go cheap on the coach.

I just don't get it.

The fact that they don't get it, blows my mind.

[raferfenix]

Kohl has gone specifically for coaches and executives that would be puppets for his meddling. He needs to cut that out and get a guy who can tell him the way it needs to be.

I agree that even a guy like O'brein would be huge for this franchise. Another coach like that would be Paul Silas, and he'd be a lot more attainable than Van Gundy probably would be.

[jerrod]

veteran leaders, however, don't need the bucks

[Epicurus]

This thread should be led by TinkerBell sprinkling fairy dust, as was Disney's Never Never Land. Claims without foundations, but works wonderfully for the reptilian sector of the brain.

[Chuck Diesel]

Everything we hear about Kryskowiak seems to scream college coach, but I don't see what good getting rid of him will do at this point with the current regime.

[MickeyDavis]

Tinkerbell sprinkling fairy dust as our new coach? Sounds pretty damn good right now.

[schweig]

"oh oops, I must've got the bags mixed up, this is nothing but asbestos! but I must be in the right place, none of you **** want to grow up!"

[Max Green]

Coach K's firing, just like Yi's benching, should've happened weeks ago.

[raferfenix]

Coach K's firing, just like Yi's benching, should've happened weeks ago.

I'm not so sure, becasue as bad as things are, would they be any better with an assistant coach? I've liked hearing that Tony Brown is one of hte only candid people associatd with the organization, but I'm not sure he could prevent a lockerroom explosion any more than LK could (insiders, let me know if i'm wrong).

Great coaches tend to bring winning wherever they go, and we need a coach that can get more out of our players and get less out of the meddlers. A great coach certainly won't fix everything, but I just want someone to fix things enough where Bogut and Yi won't be running for the hills come next season.

[Epicurus]

Because in very, very large measure your great coach signs on to winners already. The other path, used less, is that are regular coaches who have been given enough inuslation from impatient fans to build something on their terms--see John Wooden at UCLA for a good example.

[trwi7]

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I'm not so sure, becasue as bad as things are, would they be any better with an assistant coach? I've liked hearing that Tony Brown is one of hte only candid people associatd with the organization, but I'm not sure he could prevent a lockerroom explosion any more than LK could (insiders, let me know if i'm wrong).

I think GAD just said in another topic that Brown is one of the big problems as far as dividing the locker room even further so no, I doubt he would help it.

[schweig]

TNT had that Whoopi Goldberg movie Eddie on after some All Star stuff this weekend. It sucked so I didn't leave it on long, but this team is like those Knicks. Maybe we can pull a coach out of the stands too. Except instead of being in awe of the players like she was, we'd get down there and mostly be disgusted.

[REDDzone]

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I think GAD just said in another topic that Brown is one of the big problems as far as dividing the locker room even further so no, I doubt he would help it.

Really? That isn't what I got out of GAD's post at all. Maybe I am referring to a different one.

[trwi7]

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Really? That isn't what I got out of GAD's post at all. Maybe I am referring to a different one.

This is it.

GAD, I don't know if you'v heard the same things I've heard but I've heard Bown's ... candor ... may not be very appreciated internally. At least not in some quarters.

Yeah, that's putting it mildly.
I have heard that as well.
Brown is being blamed for things ballooning into the current frenzy because he confirmed your account of the Mo incident rather than refuting it like everyone else was instructed to do publicly, and they think that emboldened people in the media to relay your report of the recent team meeting.

[REDDzone]

I just took that to mean that Kohl and his cronies weren't happey with Brown, not that Brown was causing locker room problems.

[Max Green]

I just took that to mean that Kohl and his cronies weren't happey with Brown, not that Brown was causing locker room problems.

Yeah, thats pretty much the same way I interpreted it. Like they were trying to make Brown the scapegoat for the problems.

[paulpressey25]

Larry K. might actually be an ok coach.......we don't know.....the signs aren't good.....but I can't hammer too hard now with the new information about Kohl micro-managing.

Let me ask any of you guys how you'd coach a bunch of millionaire prima donnas if the owner told you you couldn't run the offense (triangle) you wanted?

What if the players voted for certain team captains but the owner stepped in and declared the results void and name his own captains?

What if you decided to send a message and you benched a player or refused to start another player but were later told you had to play said player, after said player had a personal conversation with the owner to discuss the playing time issue?

I guess the answer is to hire a guy so powerful (Larry Brown) that he only takes the job if he's given total power and none for Kohl. But that isn't happening......

I'm not happy with Larry K. at all.....but he's been neutered by Kohl just like Harris has by Ron Walter and Kohl. It has apparently created an untenable coaching environment.

It would seem Stotts had similar problems, but perhaps worse since he also had Larry K. working to undermine him as well. But Stotts didn't have the player situation so bad because he let Mo and Redd have their way so those guys didn't fight him.