Kings/Magic trade rumor

[SacKingZZZ]

Here's another idea.

Mikki Moore

for

(expirings of Orlando's choice)


Mikki stops taking up everybody else's minutes, and we get a little more cap space next year.

I'd be down for that deal. Hell, I'd even do the Garcia/Kenny deal if that was possible. Brad/Cisco? Not so much.

[Ballings7]

Here's another idea.

Mikki Moore

for

(expirings of Orlando's choice)


Mikki stops taking up everybody else's minutes, and we get a little more cap space next year

Absolutely. I think Moore should be looked at as being dealt more than anybody. And for package deals, if not Kenny (which is likely), how about throw Moore in there? Benefits us significantly, still.

[hbhakta]

i wouldnt mind having sheldon williams, reddick, and resigning dahntay jones. OH and drafting demarcus nelson...

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, I'd love for us to snag Demarcus with one of our 2nd rounders. But that can happen without us having to trade a guy like Cisco.

[hbhakta]

yeah, i like having cisco, he sort of reminds of how jon barry used to come off the bench. I used to love it. Id love to see a high draft pick for the kings through a trade.

[Ballings7]

I like DeMarcus Nelson. He'd be a nice bench complementary player to have. Big guard, athletic, tough, can do multiple things. The type of player I alluded to in the draft thread.

Need to see more of him.

OT, and probably wouldn't relate to us, but I'm really getting to like Gerald Henderson.

[BMiller52]

Ugh being a UNC fan it's hard seeing the team go after Duke players. I like Shelden and I'd take Demarcus because he's cool and grew up in Sac, but the thought of JJ Redick(sort of OT but a potential trade with Orl) in a Kings uniform and Gerald Henderson makes me a little sick to my stomach.

[Cammo101]

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Because you beat Detroit in a regular season game? Like, seriously, nice win, but Orlando does need another big to compete. There is no way we should have to give up Cisco with Brad.

No, because we are the #3 seed in the East wh 2 all star calliber forwards. We are winning without this so called necessary big man. And for the record, this is not the first time we have beat the Pistons. We have beat them twice and Boston twice already, so this was clearly no fluke.

[Cammo101]

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That's probably a yes, but do you really need Douby?

No, we don't. Orlando has no use or need for Douby.

[pillwenney]

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No, because we are the #3 seed in the East wh 2 all star calliber forwards. We are winning without this so called necessary big man. And for the record, this is not the first time we have beat the Pistons. We have beat them twice and Boston twice already, so this was clearly no fluke.

Yeah, but lots of teams succeed in the regular season. But hey, if you honestly think that you're a legitimate contender with your team as it is, then I wouldn't want Brad either. But I (and some other Magic fans that I've seen) disagree with you. Not many teams go very far in the playoffs with essentially one real big man.

[Cammo101]

Orlando absolutely "needs" another big. There's been numerous times (and maybe more) where this has been evident this season, and of course where it hasn't. But the point is it's a clear weakness, and one that especially relates to playoff basketball.

A front-line for defense and rebounding of Dwight, Hedo (SF), Rashard (SF), 10 MPG of Foyle, Brian Cook - is not going to cut it against Cleveland, Boston, Detroit, and even Atlanta (who I think would play Orlando tough in the POs too). Asking Dwight to basically do all the interior play by himself is unnecessary and too much to ask of him. Even for one season, because Tony Battie's been out. Orlando has to get another helper big man for Dwight.

I'd gladly settle for Kurt Thomas if I were an Orlando fan, and as a fan of Dwight (which I am). Kurt with Dwight is Thomas' best fit role, like so in the past with Zo and Ewing. Right-hand man for two-way star big men. Ibe giving up any of the willing pieces on Orlando for Brad Miller, too. I'd take on his contract, he's going to produce strongly in multiple ways.

You have to be able to rebound and defend the basket enough to go deep in the playoffs.

Orlando has a winning record against Boston, Cleveland, and Detroit...so tell me again how our lack of bigs does not cut it against them? Would Orlando like another big man? Of course. But, we are winning as we are and have no reason to take on luxuary tax salary unless it really really helps us both now and in the future. Miller and Garcia does that. Miller alone does not.

[SacKingZZZ]

We crushed Detroit ourselves more than a few times IIRC.

I see your point Cammo, but the other point is that the east may be wide open RIGHT NOW. Who knows in a few years. Heck, you never know, the Kings may be sending a few more pieces east to compete with the Magic.

[Cammo101]

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Yeah, but lots of teams succeed in the regular season. But hey, if you honestly think that you're a legitimate contender with your team as it is, then I wouldn't want Brad either. But I (and some other Magic fans that I've seen) disagree with you. Not many teams go very far in the playoffs with essentially one real big man.

I think the Magic were never built to win a title this year. Which is why Garcia would be so important to the deal. We are built to win titles in a couple years when Detroit and Boston are regressing. Don't get me wrong, I am happy we are winning and would love to add Miller. But doing so pushes us up in luxary tax land and I do not see that happening unless we also get a piece for the future. IE Garcia.

[BMiller52]

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Orlando has a winning record against Boston, Cleveland, and Detroit...so tell me again how our lack of bigs does not cut it against them? Would Orlando like another big man? Of course. But, we are winning as we are and have no reason to take on luxuary tax salary unless it really really helps us both now and in the future. Miller and Garcia does that. Miller alone does not.

Yeah but Garcia is pretty young and can be a real productive player. Miller already is having a VERY productive year and it's not like Orlando will have cap room in the next 2 years(Miller's contract length) anyway because of that contract you gave to Rashard Lewis. I don't really see how it matters. Just don't spend the MLE for a year or 2 if the extra money really bothers your owner. Brad is easily more productive than an MLE player or hell even 2 of them.

[Cammo101]

We crushed Detroit ourselves more than a few times IIRC.

I see your point Cammo, but the other point is that the east may be wide open RIGHT NOW. Who knows in a few years. Heck, you never know, the Kings may be sending a few more pieces east to compete with the Magic.

Agreed. I have no problem getting Miller. I like Miller a lot. The problem is taking back his large salary pushes us up into luxary tax land and with as much as expirings are fetch the last month or so...I certainly see why Otis would hold out for Garcia to be invovled.

[BMiller52]

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Agreed. I have no problem getting Miller. I like Miller a lot. The problem is taking back his large salary pushes us up into luxary tax land and with as much as expirings are fetch the last month or so...I certainly see why Otis would hold out for Garcia to be invovled.

Yeah but from the Kings POV are we really going to trade a very productive C+a young SG/SF who could start on a lot of teams for expirings? I dunno I might do it if we got a 1st rounder back. Miller+Cisco would help the Magic A LOT. Cisco is more proven than the 1st for you guys also. But I'd need a 1st to make that deal.

[SacKingZZZ]

I just don't see why trading Brad right now is vitally important. We dumped Bibby, dumping Brad just seems pretty useless considering there aren't many names to be player for this offseason. Unless, the Kings want Arenas I don't see it. I don't think guys like Okafor will be on the market this year. Brand I am sure won't opt out. Marion? Nah. Arenas is the only one that said he would and with his year, even he may re-think that idea.

On the flipside, if we can get expirings for Brad now, we probably should do it. In another year if he is back in decline mode we'll be kicking ourselves in the ass.

[pillwenney]

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Agreed. I have no problem getting Miller. I like Miller a lot. The problem is taking back his large salary pushes us up into luxary tax land and with as much as expirings are fetch the last month or so...I certainly see why Otis would hold out for Garcia to be invovled.

It's pretty well accepted that the Gasol trade was an absolute steal. Given what Brad could do for you guys, I think asking for Garcia on top of Brad really is ridiculous because it becomes counter-productive for our rebuilding. Brad should be worth expirings/1st in the right situation. I think Orlando may be the right situation.

Also, you'd think that with the Lewis signing that Orlando would, well, not necessarily not be cap-conscious, but would be ready to go into the tax, you know? I mean you guys won't have significant cap space over the next few years anyway, so this is really your best chance at acquiring a Brad-Miller caliber player until '10. And your ability to sign a good FA then won't really be affected because Brad's contract expires the same time as Hedo's and Battie's.

It's just one of those things that I'd really like to see, as a basketball fan.

[SacKingZZZ]

Another thing to remember though is that as at least Memphis has a potential top 3 pick in their future. We are currently staring...at the 12th. Sometimes it's easier to move a guy like Gasol because you have your own suckitude to keep you warm at night.

If we can get expirings/prospect for Brad then go for it. But if it's any more than just that, then don't do it. Brad is an excellent stopgap frontcourt player so the young guys do not have too much pressure put on them. The rest need to go however.

[Ballings7]

Orlando absolutely needs another big. There's been numerous times (and maybe more) where this has been evident this season (seen, read), and of course where it hasn't. But the point is it's a clear weakness, and one that especially relates to playoff basketball.

A front-line for defense and rebounding of Dwight, Hedo (SF), Rashard (SF), 9 MPG of Foyle, Brian Cook - is not going to cut it against Cleveland, Boston, Detroit, and even Atlanta (who I think would play Orlando tough in the POs, too). Asking Dwight to basically do all the interior play by himself is unnecessary and too much to ask of him. Even for one season, because Tony Battie's been out. Orlando has to get another helper big man for Dwight.

I'd gladly settle for Kurt Thomas if I were an Orlando fan, and as a fan of Dwight (which I am). Kurt with Dwight is Thomas' best fit role, like so in the past with Zo and Ewing. Right-hand man for two-way star big men. I'd be giving up any of the willing pieces on Orlando for Brad Miller, too. I'd take on his contract, he's going to produce strongly in multiple ways.

You have to be able to rebound and defend the basket enough to go deep in the playoffs.