Sacramento (23-28) at Portland (28-24)

[pillwenney]

His chest thumping at stupid times causes technicals and cost's us points.

remember that Golden state game, stole the ball got a dunk then for no reason at all, starts taunting the crowd, gets T'd up.

OMG!!! One time it got him a technical! Get him out of here!!! Seriously, if it helps him get pumped up, I'll take 1 technical all year. IF we're going to complain about that, then we should trade Brad because he goes on bitchfests and starts randomly flagrant fouling people when he gets blocked by a PG.

Thats nice, how bout just walk back and play some more D.

And no its not always Theus fault, Ron should know when to make the extra pass and when he can get around a guy, games like today make people forget , that Ron does have games where he will run into a crowd of 3 people or take a contested jumper instead of passing the ball.

No, he has plays where he does that. I can't recall Ron ever once doing that constantly throughout a game. It just gets pointed out every time he does (and oddly enough, people don't point it out as much when Brad tries to drive to the lane and puts up a horrible shot because he can't shoot it over a SF).

Yes that stuff does linger, beating up your wife, not feeding your dog is some more of that serious stuff.

Check the facts on the dog issue. That was complete BS.

Its been obvious that hes been throwing out trade ideas since the start of the season that New York thing was stupid, now its about Denver, then Mike Bibby gets traded and he starts talking about staying and championships, oh please, this guy is bipolar.

Woah woah woah--are you kidding me? Because there have been rumors of trade discussions, Ron was the one that started them? Are you serious?

"Artest told ESPN.com on Saturday that he's no longer lobbying for a move before Thursday's trading deadline."

Notice how they don't use a direct quote. How convenient. And there's a big difference between directly requesting a trade and doing what Ron did--a big difference.

If he had just shut his mouth from the get go, play hard, and let his play do the speaking for him, he would of gotten a contract already.

Now you're just making stuff up. That's not how it works. Ron hasn't been a FA since he has been in Sac. In fact, IIRC, Ron was offered a contract extension and turned it down. Not to mention that among other things, the team has to decide if it's in their best interests to re-sign him, simply because we're rebuilding and he's currently in his prime.

[Ballings7]

Thank you, mitch. Quality posts. Saved me a bit of work .

Ron's negatives have been there to a degree, yes, but not nearly as much as people around make them out to be. Most of it just lacks credibility because of the exaggeration, nitpicking, and ignorance that's included. It's just strange.

Ron's one incident (in Sacramento which is all we should really be talking about) that you can point to and say "okay, now that really shows a negative in his character" was the domestic violence thing.

And yeah, that was included in the intention of my post (specifically meaning "basically"). I didn't think I needed to mention it with it being obvious for what it was. Also, what should also be mentioned is Ron did handle that last year already. From what I know, he and his wife are better.

If I was a GM in the East where LeBron and Paul Pierce prowl the court you can bet I want Artest on my team for a play off run this year. Seems like Detroit would let bygones be bygones and make the swap for Artest. They don't have Big Ben on the club any longer and thats who Ron mixed it up with prior to the debacle in Auburn Hills.

Tayshaun Prince is already there though, and if for a bench role, they'd have to adjust their bench quite a bit which they've been developing pretty well this year. I don't think there'd be room.

Ron already made up with Ben last year at Chicago, in a stand-out way, too. Even before that, I thought they were both over it. Being... 2 years old back then.

[SacKingZZZ]

Hey, Ron getting that T was him sticking up for his teammate. Shelden was clearly pulled down on a rebound attempt by Aldrige.

[Ballings7]

Hey, Ron getting that T was him sticking up for his teammate. Shelden was clearly pulled down on a rebound attempt by Aldrige.

Yeah, somebody pointed that out earlier, and I followed up to that in response.

That shouldn't really be at dispute. It was justified.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

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So lets just ignore all his bad faults, we are a rebuilding team, and for a guy to undermine a coach's authority is ANOTHER problem.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ch ... &cset=true

So last week's terrific win in Detroit -- where Artest was booed at the site of the famous brawl -- saw Artest blow up at Bibby for failing to see him in the post. Later, Artest unleashed a profanity-laced tirade at coach Reggie Theus.

It was all downplayed because the Kings won.

Then, in a loss at Utah, Artest was ejected after a sideshow of taunting players and fans, signaling first downs when the Kings were awarded the ball and chest thumping. "He started getting a little wacko out there," Utah's Matt Harpring said.


or when he decides, that he doesnt need to practice....

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/700347.html

With the trade talk relatively quiet, Artest continued to make noise in Sacramento. His absence from Thursday's practice created a ripple effect of sorts for Reggie Theus and his team, one that threatened to undermine the first-year coach but was somewhat contained before Friday night's game after a bizarre sequence of events.

After the Kings' loss to Seattle on Wednesday, sources close to the team said a frustrated Theus told his players that anyone who missed the next day's practice would not play against Utah on Friday. Yet Beno Udrih and Artest did not practice, the point guard because of an illness and the small forward - according to Theus and team officials - because of sore knees and feet.

The team sources said Theus relented on his stance Friday morning, telling the team it wasn't fair to punish injured or sick players for not practicing. Yet after Friday's shootaround, Artest - who had attended the practice but didn't participate - said he wasn't sore and that he simply wanted the rest.

"I just wanted to take a day off," Artest said. "I played a lot of minutes the other night (against Seattle), too. I think I played the most minutes on the team (40). There was no need for me to play those minutes, play the (power forward and small forward position), and get the ball down low and then come practice the next day. I'm probably one of the hardest workers at practice, too. It's not a big thing if I take off."

he is a keeper.

good player but nutcase.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

Hey, Ron getting that T was him sticking up for his teammate. Shelden was clearly pulled down on a rebound attempt by Aldrige.

he didnt have to get up and walk around waving his towel and cursing at the ref, he should sit down and be quiet on the bench. It was a no call, so what, its the nba, it happens all the time.

[Ballings7]

To Moore's credit, he did grab 9 rebounds, which I just didn't notice. I payed little attention to Moore tonight.

Also, once again, I continue to be pleased with Kevin's rebounding! 7 boards tonight, which I did notice he was getting on the boards. He's improved in his rebounding from previous years, and is up around 5 per game.

[pillwenney]

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So lets just ignore all his bad faults, we are a rebuilding team, and for a guy to undermine a coach's authority is ANOTHER problem.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ch ... &cset=true

So last week's terrific win in Detroit -- where Artest was booed at the site of the famous brawl -- saw Artest blow up at Bibby for failing to see him in the post. Later, Artest unleashed a profanity-laced tirade at coach Reggie Theus.

It was all downplayed because the Kings won.

Then, in a loss at Utah, Artest was ejected after a sideshow of taunting players and fans, signaling first downs when the Kings were awarded the ball and chest thumping. "He started getting a little wacko out there," Utah's Matt Harpring said.


or when he decides, that he doesnt need to practice....

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/700347.html

With the trade talk relatively quiet, Artest continued to make noise in Sacramento. His absence from Thursday's practice created a ripple effect of sorts for Reggie Theus and his team, one that threatened to undermine the first-year coach but was somewhat contained before Friday night's game after a bizarre sequence of events.

After the Kings' loss to Seattle on Wednesday, sources close to the team said a frustrated Theus told his players that anyone who missed the next day's practice would not play against Utah on Friday. Yet Beno Udrih and Artest did not practice, the point guard because of an illness and the small forward - according to Theus and team officials - because of sore knees and feet.

The team sources said Theus relented on his stance Friday morning, telling the team it wasn't fair to punish injured or sick players for not practicing. Yet after Friday's shootaround, Artest - who had attended the practice but didn't participate - said he wasn't sore and that he simply wanted the rest.

"I just wanted to take a day off," Artest said. "I played a lot of minutes the other night (against Seattle), too. I think I played the most minutes on the team (40). There was no need for me to play those minutes, play the (power forward and small forward position), and get the ball down low and then come practice the next day. I'm probably one of the hardest workers at practice, too. It's not a big thing if I take off."

he is a keeper.

good player but nutcase.

It's not about ignoring his faults, it's about not focusing completely on them. Ron certainly does have his issues, and I'm not saying that it's necessarily in the best interest of the team to re-sign him, but for me, it's not because of "his issues" but merely the team's situation.

I think two things are really interesting about the articles you posted. First, I think it's interesting that a Chicago reporter posted an article where the idea was clearly to bash the Kings, that was about a game in another city, and about an incident about which he quoted no sources whatsoever. Look up what exactly constitutes as libel, and tell me that you can trust articles like this (i.e. articles that cite zero sources, and even more so articles where you know that the person reporting wasn't there).

With the second article, I found it interesting that you conveniently left out this part.

Theus said he could "only go by what I'm told when I ask a player face to face," but said he's not averse to certain veterans not practicing when they deem it necessary.

"They have to be men about what they choose to do and how they pace themselves, and I give those guys that leeway," he said. "There are certain guys on this team, just as there are guys on every team, that have the right to say, 'Hey, I'm not feeling well today.' Or, 'My leg is hurting,' or whatever, and coaches will go with their veteran players."

That kind of completely redeems what Ron said earlier in the article. And with the minutes he plays and his situation with his daughter (which people tend to forget all the time), can you really blame him? Especially since Theus is clearly fine with it?

[SacKingZZZ]

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he didnt have to get up and walk around waving his towel and cursing at the ref, he should sit down and be quiet on the bench. It was a no call, so what, its the nba, it happens all the time.

Well the fact remains they were getting away with that kind of play the whole game. After that T I did notice the officials seemed to start calling it more down the line. I am not too unhappy with what Ron did tonight. Some of the stuff he did a few weeks ago was different, this T was with good reason.

[BMiller52]

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Well the fact remains they were getting away with that kind of play the whole game. After that T I did notice the officials seemed to start calling it more down the line. I am not too unhappy with what Ron did tonight. Some of the stuff he did a few weeks ago was different, this T was with good reason.

Yeah a T that you get for sticking up for a teammate isn't a bad T. He was sticking up for a young player and letting the ref know what was going on. I can see how you can be mad at him for the stuff he did in the Warriors game but come on, he was sticking up for 1 of our young guys. I don't see how you(AndroidKing) can be mad at him for that.

[backer55]

For every right Ron has done on and off the court, he does a wrong.

His chest thumping tirades are stupid, and uncalled for.

He will have a good game and share the ball, next game he can easily hog the ball and disrupt the offense.

and not to mention his negative off court press, we dont need that.

and im tired of this, Trade me.

AnDrOiDKing4,
OK, Your Traded!
Report to New York in the morning.

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[AnDrOiDKing4]

Oh please that T changed how the game was being called ?

the refs where horrible both ways, we got away with mugging Roy and causing him to bleed, or that call on Martin ?

Ron doesnt need to stick up for anybody, all i ask is to control his stupid mental breakdowns where he goes on tirades, the funny thing is a young new guy showed more composer than our self proclaimed leader did. Williams wasnt too bothered by it, you know what he did ? he ran back and played D and they missed their shot only for Ron Artest to give them a free throw attempt.

Ron is not a coach, he is only a leader in his mind.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

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AnDrOiDKing4,
OK, Your Traded!
Report to New York in the morning.

.

aww man anywhere but New York.

[backer55]

Lol, we don't agree, that's ok. sorry man, i couldn't resist.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

Lol, we don't agree, that's ok. sorry man, i couldn't resist.

:rofl:

Its a message board, we wouldnt need them if everyone agreed

[Rugged Ron Ron]

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Can somebody YouTube it? I'm stuck watching the LP broadcast.

Someone posted it youtube for ya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzsArsp3KPw

[AnDrOiDKing4]

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It's not about ignoring his faults, it's about not focusing completely on them. Ron certainly does have his issues, and I'm not saying that it's necessarily in the best interest of the team to re-sign him, but for me, it's not because of "his issues" but merely the team's situation.

I think two things are really interesting about the articles you posted. First, I think it's interesting that a Chicago reporter posted an article where the idea was clearly to bash the Kings, that was about a game in another city, and about an incident about which he quoted no sources whatsoever. Look up what exactly constitutes as libel, and tell me that you can trust articles like this (i.e. articles that cite zero sources, and even more so articles where you know that the person reporting wasn't there).
With the second article, I found it interesting that you conveniently left out this part.

That kind of completely redeems what Ron said earlier in the article. And with the minutes he plays and his situation with his daughter (which people tend to forget all the time), can you really blame him? Especially since Theus is clearly fine with it?

I can respect your opinion, i just dont think Sacto needs him, because he is overall inconsistent sometimes as a player or person, but when he focused and top of his game there may not be another player with a complete game like him.

but like you stated we arnt in a situation where we can keep/need Ron, and overall it will bet better for the coaches, young guys, some fans that if we just have to worry about him saying or doing something so off the wall where it can disrupt a young coach and team trying to rebuild.


as for the articles, i cant do anything more than provide links, with Rons history, i always will seem to not give him the benefit of the doubt, its maybe just me, but he has done too much in the past to make me think he will/has change.

[pillwenney]

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I can respect your opinion, i just dont think Sacto needs him, because he is overall inconsistent sometimes as a player or person, but when he focused and top of his game there may not be another player with a complete game like him.

but like you stated we arnt in a situation where we can keep/need Ron, and overall it will bet better for the coaches, young guys, some fans that if we just have to worry about him saying or doing something so off the wall where it can disrupt a young coach and team trying to rebuild.


as for the articles, i cant do anything more than provide links, with Rons history, i always will seem to not give him the benefit of the doubt, its maybe just me, but he has done too much in the past to make me think he will/has change.

The thing is, the only really bad thing he has done as a King has been preventing his wife from calling the police. Does he have a history? Yeah, but people change, and while Ron is no angel, he's not the same guy who was promoting his rap album a day after being handed a year-long suspension.

I just think that any distractions at this point in his career would be really minor, and more than worth having him for his talent (in other words, I would be absolutely shocked if anything close to the brawl ever happened again). My only issue with keeping him is his age and the fact we will probably have cheaper options at his position (although Salmons is only a year younger, so that part of the argument isn't really valid).

And just remember that upon hearing things about Ron's behavior, people are going to assume it's true, and people are going to read articles that mention extreme stuff like that. If your goal is to sell papers and ethics are ignored, you can report a lot of BS in this country, and in many circumstances you can easily get away with it.

[Ballings7]

Got to agree with mitch again... well said, and better than I could of.

And John is actually the same age as Ron, 28. Just has 6 years in the league compared to Ron's 9.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

I wouldnt say it was about one player over another, i think as a team we are better without him. We arnt going into the playoffs, might aswell get rid of Ron and get something for him while we can and his minutes can goto use start prepping for the future, seeing more time for Hawes,Garcia,Douby, Williams is what we need to start to looking at.