If I had to chose, why I'd rather trade Foye than McCants.

theGreatRC · Post #41 » by **theGreatRC** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:26 pm

Telfair would still be a college junior-senior right now if he didn't come into the league straight out of high school.

We need to keep him, he's starting to get it.

Post #42 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:38 pm

shrink wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'd love to do that, but as I understand restricted free agency, I don't think it will happen.

For us to match, (and if anyone knows free agency better than me, please correct me if I'm wrong) we need to offer as much as another team for the total contract -- based on years x annual salary. So for example, if we offered Gomes $4 mil for one year, we haven't officially "matched" a 2 year, $3 mil/year offer, since $4 < $6.

I think we share the same concern about locking these guys up into longterm contracts, when none of them are guaranteed to be starters. This is one of the reasons I'm concerned we get outbid in free agency this Summer, and why I wouldn't mind trading one .. mostly Craig Smith.

Teams are usually hestitant to go after restricted free agents because reasonable offers are usually matched. If you really want a restricted free agent you have to overpay. I don't think it's entirely impossible that our guys won't see many offers.

casey · Post #43 » by **casey** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:29 am

shrink wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'd love to do that, but as I understand restricted free agency, I don't think it will happen.

For us to match, (and if anyone knows free agency better than me, please correct me if I'm wrong) we need to offer as much as another team for the total contract -- based on years x annual salary. So for example, if we offered Gomes $4 mil for one year, we haven't officially "matched" a 2 year, $3 mil/year offer, since $4 < $6.

That's not how it works. We don't have to even offer him a contract (there's no significance at all to "offering" a contract). If Gomes gets a 2 year $3Mil per offer from another team and he signs it, then we can match that offer. If we choose to match it, the exact offer sheet that he signed with the other team is his contract with us.

An example of this is Trenton Hassell. We never offered him a contract as far as I remember, we just let him shop himself around. He signed an offer sheet with the Blazers and we matched.

shrink · Post #44 » by **shrink** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:37 am

Fine, but the issue at hand is the viability of offering Gomes a one year deal.

Suppose Gomes is offered a 2-year, $3 mil/yr deal from New Orleans, and we say, "We'll offer you a 1-year, $4 mil deal."

Did MIN match the deal, which requires Gomes to stay?

My thinking is "no," and he could tell us to take our one-year deal and take a flying leap. True?

casey · Post #45 » by **casey** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:47 am

It doesn't work like that. If Gomes signs that deal with New Orleans, we can either match it and keep him (that means matching the exact same terms) or not match it and he'd be gone to New Orleans.

theGreatRC · Post #46 » by **theGreatRC** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:48 am

He can't sign with any other team if we want to sign him, it's the FO decision, so even if he does tell us to "take a flying leap" and goes with someone else's offer, we would just match it anyway and he'd have to play for us.

Post #47 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:50 am

Does everything turn to a draft thread?

Foye has an advantage over McCants based on 2 things

1.) If he can play PG
2.) If McCants has the attitude problems.

If Shad's attitude cleared up and/or Foye is better as a 2 then the talk gets more interesting. But right now we have 2 guys who both came off nasty knee situations. Foye has hardly played at all, but it getting better. Shad is having growing pains but reminds me of an iceberg in that we have only seen signs of what he can do. Personally I say play them both and do not move either while we are unsure what they can give us.

theGreatRC · Post #48 » by **theGreatRC** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:51 am

Let's just see what Shad does after having gone to all-star weekend.

Krapinsky · Post #49 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:56 am

Basically, because of my choice of words I seem to have misguided this thred. What I wanted to get out of this thread is a much simpler question.

Who do you guys think has more upside- Randy or Rashad?

And ultimately, who do you think will be the better player?

And please, none of this "we don't have enough info business." Assume there's a ticking time bomb and you have to make a choice.

theGreatRC · Post #50 » by **theGreatRC** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:58 am

Shad is better at creating his own offense and is a better shooter.

Plus he is younger.

I choose Rashad as a player with better upside than Foye.

horaceworthy · Post #51 » by **horaceworthy** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:03 am

I'm fairly ambivalent towards both of them at the moment. I know that's not the ticking clock answer you're looking for, but I just don't have particularly strong feelings towards either one right now.

Post #52 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:05 am

The problem Dr. K is that there is no ticking choice to make. Neither guy is a FA this summer, neither guy is working for a roster spot. Both guys are recovering from a knee issue. So any decision we make is in haste and wrong. This summer perhaps we can have this talk, but Foye has not played near enough right now so Shad has a little leverage on him.

Krapinsky · Post #53 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:09 am

When did this become the No Fun Board?

Post #54 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:13 am

:'(

Why is there no fun? I am just saying why I cannot decide which one of GreatRC sisters I cannot date. They both look good from what I have seen in limited action, but I have not had time to scout their *skills* nor have I seen the experience needed to make a choice. So why not wait, play with both, before we need to commit to either?

Krapinsky · Post #55 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:17 am

haha, that's a nice analogy. i guess you're saying- when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me. And I'm saying, what the hell, let's all make asses out of ourselves cause my class was canceled and I got nothing to do today.

Post #56 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:33 am

hehe, ok lets assume GreatRC owes you his life. (Something about you protecting him from a herd of Bryant McKinnie look alike women) For repayment he is going to give you one of his twin sisters. They just entered puberty and are starting to show some talent that makes them a consideration. But you know there is still room for growth and you do not need to make a commitment yet. What if you pick the wrong one? How many good looking girls in early high school are still good looking adults?

Keep dating both,. Give it time.

analogy is used in theology to express the divine mystery in a way we can understand. I see its point here.

Post #57 » by **C.lupus** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:22 pm

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TheProdigy · Post #58 » by **TheProdigy** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:14 pm

I'd rather hold on to both of them. Behind Big Al, they should be next to untouchable.

I've heard people say that Foye and McCants don't work well together on the floor. The best way to use them together is with Marko on the floor. Marko can play point forward on offense and guard the opposing team's best player on defense. This frees up both Randy and Shad for open shots.

funkatron101 · Post #59 » by **funkatron101** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:36 pm

revprodeji wrote:hehe, ok lets assume GreatRC owes you his life. (Something about you protecting him from a herd of Bryant McKinnie look alike women) For repayment he is going to give you one of his twin sisters. They just entered puberty and are starting to show some talent that makes them a consideration. But you know there is still room for growth and you do not need to make a commitment yet. What if you pick the wrong one? How many good looking girls in early high school are still good looking adults?

Keep dating both,. Give it time.

analogy is used in theology to express the divine mystery in a way we can understand. I see its point here.

Are you trying to promote statutory rape?

perv..