Artest for the trade exception is a better deal

[Sports_1140]

Not me, your confusing me with other kigns fans. I been for a salary dump of bibby for over a year now.

But where is artest going to go? Im putting you ont he spot.

The only 2 teams that have cap room is sixers and charlotte

CHarlotte has gerald wallace so there not signing artest.

SO that means the sixers are the only team that can offer artest more then the mle.

The kings can offer him as much as they want, add into that artest DOESNT EVEN HAVE TO OPT OUT.

I agree that MOST LIKELY he will opt out, but your making it sound way way way to likely that he will opt out and 2 that he wouldnt re-sign with the kings.

[floppymoose]

Sports_1140, do you think the Kings are going to resign Ron?

[Mylie10]

Don't confuse RE-SIGN with Sign and Trade.

If the Kings can sign and trade him, then that's potentially a good deal.

Re-sign and then play for the Kings is not gonna happen.

[Sports_1140]

Im know the difference between re-sign and sign and trade

tell me why the kings AND artest wouldnt agree to a deal if they offer him 8 mill for 3 or 4 years? if no one else is offering that?

[Quackenboss]

If the Maloofs (or any owner, esp of a struggling team) can cut ~$3M off this year's payroll then you best believe that they'd be interested in our TE.

I'm not saying that there isn't a better offer out there, but letting Artest expire is about $3M more expensive than passing him off to us. Easy to forget since we're not the guys signing the paychecks.

[Sports_1140]

that 3 million dollars realisitically wont do ANYTHING FOR US. Nothing at all. Wont allow us to sign anymore players or clear any significant cap space.

Thats like saying hey take this 87 cents instead of 85 cents. Theres no reason to. yea its 2 cents more but no difference.

[Mylie10]

The difference is THE REBUILDING MODE.

Which Artest wants no part of.

And 3 million can net you a player like Barnes.

[rpa]

Just a little thing about you people trying to overvalue the trade exception:

Right now it looks like the Kings MAY have cap space this summer (especially so if they may another trade). In that case the Trade Exception would have to be relinquished. For a team to have cap space they must renounce ALL exceptions.

Further, if it's not apparent already the Kings are trying to CUT salary. The value of a trade exception is being able to TAKE ON more salary than you give up. That goes directly against the Kings' current direction.

The pick is nice and all but you're crazy if you don't think the Kings would rather dump Ron to an East coast team for expiring picks and a 1st.

[Quackenboss]

that 3 million dollars realisitically wont do ANYTHING FOR US. Nothing at all. Wont allow us to sign anymore players or clear any significant cap space.

Thats like saying hey take this 87 cents instead of 85 cents. Theres no reason to. yea its 2 cents more but no difference.

Sure, but that's $3M more in the pocket of an owner trying to run a business and turn a profit. I understand that its rather insignificant compared to the amount of money flowing in and out of these franchises, but we've seen plenty of instances of teams sacrificing good talent for the sake of a few million dollars.

Isn't the average NBA franchise's profit something like $7M a year?

That the relatively small savings won't do anything for the sake of the Kings roster or Kings fans does not mean that such motivations don't play a part in personnel decisions.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I regret anything that ends up with us talking Kings trades on this board. Not worth it.

[Twinkie defense]

Hester, why not do what you can this year and still keep your main pieces for the future?

I don't get you sometimes.

In the grand scheme of things I think it's "probably best" not to make a move, because the Warriors don't have many pieces left that are more desirable to other teams than they are to the Warriors themselves, and it doesn't make sense to sacrifice much of the future for success today, since winning it all is likely out of the question.

But there are definitely some moves out there I would make IF they were realistically possible, AND would not effect us re-signing Biedrins and Monta.

I didn't even say I wouldn't want to use the TPE and a 1st to bring Ron in for the rest of the season - in fact I proposed just that on the trade board the other day. Makes me uneasy, though.

If Sacramento can get another young, cheap prospect or a 1st round pick for Artest, without taking on additional salary (e.g., with expirings or a trade exception), I think they should do that, whoever they have to deal with to get it done - Ron is probably one and done anyway. But teams might not be offering even that, in which case Sacto should just let him expire, or possibly sign and trade him if they feel they can get something cheap and useful in return.

The TE also gives the Kings a TE also.

That's true.

A late round pick isnt worth it sending it to a western team.

I disagree. For a team that's rebuilding, having picks - which can be used to get more young, cheap prospects, or packaged in trade - is exactly what you want. Quality players can be had in the late first round... Carlos Boozer and Monta Ellis were second rounders. Your new guy Sheldan Williams is paid like a lotto pick, but plays like a late first rounder, and you took him on. Sure anyone would rather have a top five pick, but no one is going to give one of those for a few months of Artest, and having a late first rounder is certainly better than nothing, regardless of who you get it from.

If you can't get a first or other young prospect, I agree, better to let Ron expire. But if Ron is going to leave regardless, why Sacramento would rather NOT have an extra first round pick, I just don't get.

Whoever the Kings can get a 1st from, they should get it. Personally, if I had my choice - thought I don't know if that's an accurate reflection of Ron's value - I'd deal with the team who I thought would give me the highest pick, and I don't care if they're in the East or West.

Right now it looks like the Kings MAY have cap space this summer (especially so if they may another trade). In that case the Trade Exception would have to be relinquished. For a team to have cap space they must renounce ALL exceptions.

That's not quite right.

And 1140, of course Sacramento CAN re-sign Artest if they want, but I really don't think - and I believe most people don't believe - that is likely. He doesn't fit in with a rebuilding team, and he's going to cost more. That's not the Sacto plan, is it?

[turk3d]

Wow. I see that it's now being reported (Realgm headline) that San Antonio may have an offer on the table of Francisco Elson and Brent Barry (both expirings) + a probable #1 for Artest. It's amazing how some of the teams are lowering their demands as we get down to the wire.

It ma be even more amazing how some of our Western counterparts are willing to give such sweet deals to division rivals. Is it just the Warriors they hate?

[Twinkie defense]

Of course a Spurs 1st is worth even less than a Warriors 1st.

That article also says the deal would [i]possibly[/] include a draft pick. Maybe a conditional 2nd?

[Mylie10]

I don't see Sac wanting to many guys coming back. They're already at 17 guys after the Atlanta trade. 2 more guys coming in for one means they have to cut even further.

We would be better off going harder after Ron than letting the nuggets get him.

[turk3d]

I don't see Sac wanting to many guys coming back. They're already at 17 guys after the Atlanta trade. 2 more guys coming in for one means they have to cut even further.

We would be better off going harder after Ron than letting the nuggets get him.

Good point Mylie. This sure makes an offer from us of the TPE and a #1 pick look better than Elson and Barry + the Spurs #1 (presume it's #1 we're talking about). What is it that the Nugs are giving up? It can't be a #1 can it, they used all those in the AI deal, didn't they?

[Mylie10]

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Good point Mylie. This sure makes an offer from us of the TPE and a #1 pick look better than Elson and Barry + the Spurs #1 (presume it's #1 we're talking about). What is it that the Nugs are giving up? It can't be a #1 can it, they used all those in the AI deal, didn't they?

The Nuggets were originally offering Najera and a #1 straight up.

Supposedly Sac wants Kleiza. Makes sense because of the type of team Theus likes. Kleiza would fit their newer look.

So do the Kings want to take back 2 guys and a number1. Sounds good, but figure that Karl loves what Najera gives the team.

They also realize that for the future, Kleiza is a cheap but good young player to go with all of their high priced contracts.

If the Nuggets are really offering Najera and Kleiza and a #1, then that would be tough to beat.

[turk3d]

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The Nuggets were originally offering Najera and a #1 straight up.

Supposedly Sac wants Kleiza. Makes sense because of the type of team Theus likes. Kleiza would fit their newer look.

So do the Kings want to take back 2 guys and a number1. Sounds good, but figure that Karl loves what Najera gives the team.

They also realize that for the future, Kleiza is a cheap but good young player to go with all of their high priced contracts.

If the Nuggets are really offering Najera and Kleiza and a #1, then that would be tough to beat.

What #1 do the Nugs have? Didn't they send 2 #1s to the 6ers for AI?

[Mylie10]

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What #1 do the Nugs have? Didn't they send 2 #1s to the 6ers for AI?

Not sure, good question.

[bynumsbreakout]

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If you think the Lakers gave a fair offer for Gasol, you're clearly a laker fan.

LA gave up crap to get, Gasol. Why can't GS give up nothing to get Artest.

Yes, I am clearly a laker fan. Yes, we ripped off the Grizzlies. No, you're not getting artest for the TE.

[thetrueth]

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Yes, I am clearly a laker fan. Yes, we ripped off the Grizzlies. No, you're not getting artest for the TE.

yea, we're probably not gonna get artest for the TE. But its certainly comparable to the crap you guys offered.

Look at the suggested trade rumors for Artest, expirings and possibly a pick.

The kings are gonna get crap for Artest, wether it comes from GS or another team.