Joel Pryzbilla

[TBpup]

raptorsfan13 wrote:
i was just about to ask why does he only average 21mpg?

It was someone like John Hollinger at ESPN that calculated that opponents shoot 6% lower against the Blazers when Joel is in versus when he is out. He is also one of the league leaders in rebs/48min.

Who knows why Nate does some of what he does.

[Spykes]

Close but I don't want Kapono. How about this?

Przybilla
Blake
$3 million

>>for

TJ Ford
Jorge Garbajosa
Darrick Martin

Plus in a separate but contingent deal,

Miles
$3 million

>>for

Rasho Nesterovic

This deal saves Raptors money, gets them the white Bill Russell, and a good PG. For the Blazers, we get a risky (health wise) PG in a deal that maintains our 2009 FA plans.

Interesting trade, but I'm really weary of Ford. The guy is one wrong hit away from having to retire in his 20's. And I'm a big fan of Ford's, I have been ever since he was with the Bucks. But the guy is just too fragile imo.

Seeing how the Blazers have preformed with a sharpshooter and how they've preformed without one, I think Kapono would be a fantastic fit for the team. He's a bit overpaid, but if we want to keep Jones, it's going to cost us a similar amount, so given the choice, I'd take the younger and less injury prone player.

[d-train]

Interesting trade, but I'm really weary of Ford. The guy is one wrong hit away from having to retire in his 20's. And I'm a big fan of Ford's, I have been ever since he was with the Bucks. But the guy is just too fragile imo.

Seeing how the Blazers have preformed with a sharpshooter and how they've preformed without one, I think Kapono would be a fantastic fit for the team. He's a bit overpaid, but if we want to keep Jones, it's going to cost us a similar amount, so given the choice, I'd take the younger and less injury prone player.

There is good reason to be leery of TJ's health, which is why I figure Raptor's might trade him. If TJ stays healthy, Blazers get an absolute steal. If he continues to be always injured, we didn't give up any core player and we improved our cap space in 2009. That cap space improvement means a very good FA or resigning Channing Frye.

Slow-footed shooters like Kapono are easy to find. I notice Raptors are playing him less than cheap pickups like Moon and Delfino. I don't care what Jones decides to do with his 08/09 option. It is fine with me if he walks. Blazers success this year or future success has nothing to do with Jones.

[Wizenheimer]

I was just throwing the idea out there as a starting point. If anyone wants to take the idea and expand on it or change it, that's perfectly fine.

What about this...?

Joel Przybilla
Darius Miles
Jarrett Jack
James Jones
2nd Round Pick
Cash Considerations

for

Rasho
Kapono
Dixon
Raptors First Round Pick (lottery protected)

I see the logic in this, but let me suggest some alternative logic

After watching last night's game, I'm thinking that portland does have a couple of identifiable issues that won't be addressed by the maturation of the players, and both are mostly on the perimeter.

Portland doesn't have good team speed, and more critically, they are almost completely lacking in players with physical aspects to their games.

Bringing Oden in will greatly improve portland's physicality on the interior but won't help on the perimeter.

Ironically, Jack is portland's most physical perimeter player, but I think it's safe to say he won't be here starting the 2009 season.

This trade doesn't improve on portland's weaknesses. Kapono is a great shooter and Jones hasn't been healthy. But when he is, he is easily a better defender and contibutes in ways Kapono can't. Still, this part of the trade is OK for portland.

But what I don't like is expending all those assets and giving up portland's 2 most physical players for more finesse...something portland has a surplus of.

I'd rather see them go after players like Maggette, Gomes, or Mason. They need some muscle to mix into the SF rotation, and that would probably require trading one of outlaw-webster-jones.

[d-train]

TJ Ford has been injury prone but if he were a Blazer right now, he'd be our 2nd toughest player after Roy. Jack is also a hardnosed player, but IMO Przybilla gives us nothing in that department. Jones is a tough competitor but nothing to brag about.

[BlackMamba]

well, he is the ONLY center the blazers have, if he goes down there's no-one left.



please, don't say raef...

[Fitz303]

If we do make a trade by tomorrow I doubt its for a PG, so I hope that this is addressed in the draft. SF should be the easiest position to fill in right now as there are quite a few that are attainable. Unfortunately none of them are from the Raptors. I would be all for trading Przybilla and Jack for Rasho and a 1st rd pick. Another 1st rd pick would help us move up in the draft to get a potential game changing PG.

Spykes, dont even joke about bringing Dixon back

[Spykes]

I'm gonna try to respond to two posts at once here.

First off, I can see where both of you guys (d-train and Wiz) are coming from. I can't say I really disagree with any of the main points you brought out... I'll start out with D's post:

There is good reason to be leery of TJ's health, which is why I figure Raptor's might trade him. If TJ stays healthy, Blazers get an absolute steal. If he continues to be always injured, we didn't give up any core player and we improved our cap space in 2009. That cap space improvement means a very good FA or resigning Channing Frye.

I totally agree that a healthy Ford would be a steal for Portland. When he is at his peak, he gives the Blazers some great speed and can potentially be a Top 10 PG. His height is also a little bit of a concern, but he is able to use it to his advantage some. As long as we have a decent sized defensive PG behind him, we should be ok.

Slow-footed shooters like Kapono are easy to find. I notice Raptors are playing him less than cheap pickups like Moon and Delfino. I don't care what Jones decides to do with his 08/09 option. It is fine with me if he walks. Blazers success this year or future success has nothing to do with Jones.

This is where we part ways. Shooters that are as spot on as Kapono are very hard to come by. He is overpaid and one dimensional, I'll give you that. However, that one dimension has been instrumental in the Blazers success this year.

This brings me to my other point that I disagree with you on. The Blazers success this year HAS had something to do with Jones. To say Jones has had no effect on the teams success is just flat out wrong. You can perfectly match up Jones' timeline of health to the Blazers timeline of winning games. That isn't just some strange coincidence. His outside shooting threat not only made the Blazers a more potent offensive team, it also opened up the lanes and made things easier for Brandon to attack the hoop. Every team needs a deadly shooter like that who can come off the bench and stretch the defense. If Jones walks and we lose him for nothing, we'd better hope Rudy can replace that shooting threat, otherwise we're going to struggle with teams clogging the middle. Not only making it tougher on Brandon, but Greg as well.

Now, as for Wiz, I can definitely see where you're coming from with that logic. Judging by last nights game, they definitely could use a tough minded SF a la Maggette. Mason is a bit too old at this point imo. I'd like to see Portland go after Maggette, but his contract situation kinda scares me.

[Wizenheimer]

I'm gonna try to respond to two posts at once here.

First off, I can see where both of you guys (d-train and Wiz) are coming from. I can't say I really disagree with any of the main points you brought out... I'll start out with D's post:

There is good reason to be leery of TJ's health, which is why I figure Raptor's might trade him. If TJ stays healthy, Blazers get an absolute steal. If he continues to be always injured, we didn't give up any core player and we improved our cap space in 2009. That cap space improvement means a very good FA or resigning Channing Frye.

I totally agree that a healthy Ford would be a steal for Portland. When he is at his peak, he gives the Blazers some great speed and can potentially be a Top 10 PG. His height is also a little bit of a concern, but he is able to use it to his advantage some. As long as we have a decent sized defensive PG behind him, we should be ok.

Slow-footed shooters like Kapono are easy to find. I notice Raptors are playing him less than cheap pickups like Moon and Delfino. I don't care what Jones decides to do with his 08/09 option. It is fine with me if he walks. Blazers success this year or future success has nothing to do with Jones.

This is where we part ways. Shooters that are as spot on as Kapono are very hard to come by. He is overpaid and one dimensional, I'll give you that. However, that one dimension has been instrumental in the Blazers success this year.

This brings me to my other point that I disagree with you on. The Blazers success this year HAS had something to do with Jones. To say Jones has had no effect on the teams success is just flat out wrong. You can perfectly match up Jones' timeline of health to the Blazers timeline of winning games. That isn't just some strange coincidence. His outside shooting threat not only made the Blazers a more potent offensive team, it also opened up the lanes and made things easier for Brandon to attack the hoop. Every team needs a deadly shooter like that who can come off the bench and stretch the defense. If Jones walks and we lose him for nothing, we'd better hope Rudy can replace that shooting threat, otherwise we're going to struggle with teams clogging the middle. Not only making it tougher on Brandon, but Greg as well.

Now, as for Wiz, I can definitely see where you're coming from with that logic. Judging by last nights game, they definitely could use a tough minded SF a la Maggette. Mason is a bit too old at this point imo. I'd like to see Portland go after Maggette, but his contract situation kinda scares me.

yeah, his contract status would add a little more 'risk' to a trade for maggette. I don't know what portland has that would interest the Clippers though.

Mason is only 30, but he'll be an expiring 5 million+ contract this summer so the Bucks might set a high price on him.

Brandon Bass would be perfect, but the Mavs won't be trading him now and he won't be a free agent until 2009.

As I pointed out in the other thread, Eduardo Najera is UFA this summer and would be perfect in that role. I'd guess he could be had for less then the MLE...maybe by quite a bit. Portland would have to 'thin the roster' but I do think they have more then enough skinny fellas, especially with Rudy coming over.

[Spykes]

I've heard that injuries have taken quite a toll on Mason, so while he's only 30, he's really lost a step with his speed.

Najera would also be a nice fit... I wonder how much he'll command on the FA market this summer?

If Ruben Patterson wasn't such a knucklehead, he'd actually be a great fit for us right now.

[Wizenheimer]

I've heard that injuries have taken quite a toll on Mason, so while he's only 30, he's really lost a step with his speed.

Najera would also be a nice fit... I wonder how much he'll command on the FA market this summer?

If Ruben Patterson wasn't such a knucklehead, he'd actually be a great fit for us right now.

this isn't a good year for Mason so maybe the injury issues are true.

Najera is making 4.9 million this season. But he'll be 32 to start next season. I'd guess 2-3 million a year considering there seems to be a widespread epidemic of fiscal restraint throughout the leauge. 2 years at 5 million would be good for portland. Maybe he can get more, but I'd be surprised.

Rueben patterson??...yikes!!

as long as you're nostalgic for ex-blazers, Bonzi Wells will be UFA this summer....

[Spykes]

this isn't a good year for Mason so maybe the injury issues are true.

He's been having trouble ever since he was traded to the Hornets. Last season, his numbers saw a slight bump, but a big reason is because the Hornets had some MAJOR injury problems, to the point where Mason was a major part of their offense.

Najera is making 4.9 million this season. But he'll be 32 to start next season. I'd guess 2-3 million a year considering there seems to be a widespread epidemic of fiscal restraint throughout the leauge. 2 years at 5 million would be good for portland. Maybe he can get more, but I'd be surprised.

Najera has also had his fair share of injury problems, so I would think that 2-3 mil is probably about right for him. Someone may overpay to keep him. Also, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Nuggets make a serious push to resign him. George Karl loves the guy, so assuming he's not moved before the deadline tomorrow, I wouldn't be surprised to see him resigned in Denver.

Rueben patterson??...yikes!!

as long as you're nostalgic for ex-blazers, Bonzi Wells will be UFA this summer....

I'm just saying that Ruben's playing style would be really helpful right now. I don't think anyone would deny that we could use a physical SF who's not afraid to push a guy around some.

Obviously I don't want Ruben himself back though.