OT: Florida/Michigan delegates, should they count?

[UCFJayBird]

they shouldnt count michigan and ohio, if they do wanna factor in michigan and florida, they would have to do a re-vote which would cost millions to do.


alot of democrats didnt even vote in florida because they knew their vote wouldnt count.

why ohio?

and i'm one of those people that didn't vote for that very reason. Got out of work late, decided to hit the gym rather than go waste time voting for something that meant nothing (didn't think they'd go reversing it).

[UCFknight84]

lol oops i meant florida

[maginno]

odd to see this thread in a sports board but no It can't count at least until a nomine is already selectrd. However once the clear winner surfaces with enough delegates I can't see the harm in including them if the delegate count doesn't make a difference. Maybe some procedural changes to make them the last reporting group after the one of the hopefuls get the needed number. So it would be strictly a ceremonial inclusion. Provided there is a clear out front winner

[UCFknight84]

i think clinton is done, she has to win huge in ohio, pa, and texas.

the only state i can see her winning (not by much tho) is texas.


Obama vs Mccain


obama will probly win..democrats are showing up in HUGE numbers in each state..2 to 3 times the number of democrats vs republicans so far in the primaries

half the republicans dont even like Mccain


edit: i know there are alot of UCF Ron Paul supporters on this board, who are you guys swaying to in the general election? Obama or Mccain?

[maginno]

Agreed. I don't think Mccain has a shot against Obama. Would have been better with Hillary, Don't think the democratic offerings are that weak but the republican candidates are the worse in many years.

[UCFJayBird]

edit: i know there are alot of UCF Ron Paul supporters on this board, who are you guys swaying to in the general election? Obama or Mccain?

i'm not a Ron Paul guy but I just have to say I loved his radio advertisement he had going back before our primary.

"Ron Paul has delivered over four thousand babies!"

[ivDT]

Agreed. I don't think Mccain has a shot against Obama. Would have been better with Hillary, Don't think the democratic offerings are that weak but the republican candidates are the worse in many years.

it's all part of the set up, m'man.

the republicans don't want to win.

this country's about to hit the skids economically and it'll be just in time to have either a black man or a white woman in office.

after 4 years of that, america will go back to being amerikkka and elect jeb as the president of the newly founded united states of third world america.

bank on it.

[UCFknight84]

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it's all part of the set up, m'man.

the republicans don't want to win.

this country's about to hit the skids economically and it'll be just in time to have either a black man or a white woman in office.

after 4 years of that, america will go back to being amerikkka and elect jeb as the president of the newly founded united states of third world america.

bank on it.

getting us out of iraq will free up alot of our economic distress

I think the Bush name is tarnished after George, we'll never have a Bush in presidency again

[UCFJayBird]

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it's all part of the set up, m'man.

the republicans don't want to win.

this country's about to hit the skids economically and it'll be just in time to have either a black man or a white woman in office.

after 4 years of that, america will go back to being amerikkka and elect jeb as the president of the newly founded united states of third world america.

bank on it.

interesting! Kinda reminds me of the Chris Rock movie Head of State. Ok so it's not exactly the same thing but if you haven't seen it, basically in the movie the president candidate for one of the parties dies during the election. The party decides to be the first party to nominate a minority, so that in the next election they look good (knowing they're going to lose this election). Of course in the movie Chris actually ends up winning the presidency and becomes President of the United States of America...NORTH America. (joke from the movie)

I agree the economy is about to hit the skids, just in time for whichever president comes in that they're going to carry a lot of blame for it even though it's all on Bush. However they'll have four years to show improvements, and I think that'll be enough time to at least show we're back on the right track (hopefully anyway).

[ivDT]

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getting us out of iraq will free up alot of our economic distress

yeah, good luck with that. i don't see us getting out of iraq any quicker than we got out of vietnam. and the political pressure to stop that war was a lot stronger than what we have now.

we also have to hope we don't get tangled up in any more trillion dollar wars.

these days, all it takes to start one is a forged document.

I think the Bush name is tarnished after George, we'll never have a Bush in presidency again

i was saying the same thing in 2004.

[spinedoc]

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it's all part of the set up, m'man.

the republicans don't want to win.

this country's about to hit the skids economically and it'll be just in time to have either a black man or a white woman in office.

after 4 years of that, america will go back to being amerikkka and elect jeb as the president of the newly founded united states of third world america.

bank on it.

I hope your joking. Its tough to tell sometimes. As a black man, I hope your not that pessimistic about what is happening. Sure, some of the staunch conservatives are adopting that position about taking the hit this year, but thats only because they don't think McCain is conservative enough. What is happening now is a movement that has been building since Dean ran last election. The problem was it was a movement without a candidate. Now we finally have that with Obama. He's the only one that can bring this country together again after the divisive politics of the Bush administration. We might have a slight dip financially, but its not too late to correct the disastrous mistakes that have been made. Its time for a re-distribution of wealth and priorities in this country.

As to the OP, there is no way that the delegates should count. The rules were set and agreed upon by everyone. What you are witnessing is a desperate Clinton campaign that will do and say anything to regain power. The country is rejecting them and moving towards Obama. She's even talking about swaying the pledged delegates away from Obama that he has already won. The Clintons' won't go quietly, I can gurantee that. Don't worry though, your delegates will be seated at the convention after there is a presumptive winner. Once Obama hits the 150 pledged delegate lead, the super delegates will fall in line behind the leader. There will be no need to do a new election in Florida and Michigan. I think it will be over after March 4th. Hillary needs to get 65% of the electorate the rest of the way. There's no way she can pull that off, and the winner of the Democratic primaries will be the next president of the United States of America. Its a great time in history imo.

[UCFknight84]

spinedoc wrote:

As to the OP, there is no way that the delegates should count. The rules were set and agreed upon by everyone. What you are witnessing is a desperate Clinton campaign that will do and say anything to regain power. The country is rejecting them and moving towards Obama. She's even talking about swaying the pledged delegates away from Obama that he has already won. The Clintons' won't go quietly, I can gurantee that. Don't worry though, your delegates will be seated at the convention after there is a presumptive winner. Once Obama hits the 150 pledged delegate lead, the super delegates will fall in line behind the leader. There will be no need to do a new election in Florida and Michigan. I think it will be over after March 4th. Hillary needs to get 65% of the electorate the rest of the way. There's no way she can pull that off, and the winner of the Democratic primaries will be the next president of the United States of America. Its a great time in history imo.

[drsd]

I have VERY strong opinions to the question.

But, there are no limit to board that discuss political points. These threads are always combustible and are beyond OT:topics.

Mods: please lock this and all other political threads. From now till Nov. things will get ugly. There is no softness to this point. This is a place to talk about the Magic and OT:sports topics (and occasional stories regarding Britney's clothing styles, or lack thereof).

Anyhow: Vote-early, vote-often

[OMagic1989]

This issue will go to court if they try to count the results of Michigan as Obama was not on the ballot.

Hillary is a joke! No credibility. Change the rules as long as it benefits her.

[UCFJayBird]

I have VERY strong opinions to the question.

But, there are no limit to board that discuss political points. These threads are always combustible and are beyond OT:topics.

Mods: please lock this and all other political threads. From now till Nov. things will get ugly. There is no softness to this point. This is a place to talk about the Magic and OT:sports topics (and occasional stories regarding Britney's clothing styles, or lack thereof).

Anyhow: Vote-early, vote-often

c'mon now, we can leave it open at least until it gets heated or something. As long as people keep it civil i see no reason we can't discuss this. It's a big issue, and it does involve Florida. And we discussed Heath Ledger's death, that was just as off topic as this, if not more (had no relation to Florida, lol).

[maginno]

General elections I can see it getting combustible but for party nominations I can't see it getting too heated. I doubt seriously including Florida or not is going to make much of a difference. However it can get off that track I suppose

[Gerhalt11]

And we discussed Heath Ledger's death, that was just as off topic as this, if not more (had no relation to Florida, lol).

Well, I'm sure Heath Ledger has...you know...BEEN...to Florida.....? Yeah, I got nothin'.

I think it's so incredible that the Democratic party has a woman and a black man as their potential candidates. Poor John Edwards. There was a great line that Barack had at one of the debates. Something to the effect of: "This truly is the party of progress. You've got a black man, a white woman.......and John."

[Max Power]

I think it's going to be Obama v Mccain. Neither the Republicans or Democrats have good candidates.

We have a black man who served a half term in congress, hense has ziltch in experience, but Oprah likes him so he's popular as hell.

We have a woman who's pretty much Satan, who's also served 1 term in Congress, hense no experience ( no being first lady doesn't count) . She's popular because during her man's presidential run we had one of the best economic periods ever. People are naive in thinking Bill Clinton had anything to do with that. He just sat in the chair while it went down. It was Bush Sr.'s policies that brought on the computer age. So people think Hilary will being on the same success...ehhh wrong answer.

John Mccain, who's pretty much hated in his party for being civil with the Democrats, is a war hero and has tons of experience, and thats the problem. The dude is in his mid 70's.

My point is this... vote for your candidate, but at least try to do some research into them, find out what they're flaws are, and be aware of them.

As for Dubya, I think in the end, the halls of history will vindicate everything he's done.

But I leave you all with this little nugget as far as I think is going to win..


Do you smell what Barack is cookin?

[Gerhalt11]

I think it's going to be Obama v Mccain. Neither the Republicans or Democrats have good candidates.

We have a black man who served a half term in congress, hense has ziltch in experience, but Oprah likes him so he's popular as hell.

We have a woman who's pretty much Satan, who's also served 1 term in Congress, hense no experience ( no being first lady doesn't count) . She's popular because during her man's presidential run we had one of the best economic periods ever. People are naive in thinking Bill Clinton had anything to do with that. He just sat in the chair while it went down. It was Bush Sr.'s policies that brought on the computer age. So people think Hilary will being on the same success...ehhh wrong answer.

John Mccain, who's pretty much hated in his party for being civil with the Democrats, is a war hero and has tons of experience, and thats the problem. The dude is in his mid 70's.

My point is this... vote for your candidate, but at least try to do some research into them, find out what they're flaws are, and be aware of them.

As for Dubya, I think in the end, the halls of history will vindicate everything he's done.

But I leave you all with this little nugget as far as I think is going to win..


Do you smell what Barack is cookin?

My kneejerk reaction to this was to rip everything you just said to shreds, but that would turn this thread down a dangerous road and I'll save that for the general forum.

I do love the Barack is cookin' line, though. Hadn't heard that one, yet.

[DontPushMe]

Im an obama supporter, so you know.

With that in mind, i think they need to redo both elections as caucuses and then count them. I dont think you can count a poll when you originally say it wont count. Im sure there were a lot of people who didnt show up to vote because they didnt think it would count, i know for a fact a few of my friends didnt bother for that reason.

I say caucus because from what ive heard they are cheaper and easier. Everything ive heard says that if its reheld it will be a caucus.