What are Otis' plans?

[thepritz]

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I beg to differ...Saying another year of playing together will make us much better is just GM lingo

Nelson and Dwight wouldnt have been playing together for years and i dont see the benefits.

Its just false hope to say our improvements and players playing together longer will make us better.

exactly my point.. .

[magicman123]

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[UKMagic]

Its a combo of keeping a settled core, a good coach and then making the right moves.

In my opinion the core of this team is Dwight, Rashard, maybe Turk(depending who you ask), Maurice Evans (yeah I like him) and Tony Battie. If he was off the bench, I'd add Jameer to the list.

I rate Stan as a coach....

But when it comes to trades, Otis should be looking to deal the expirings. Now is the time, a lot of teams like Memphis, arguably Miami, Seattle and Sacramento are having clearouts. We can gain value and give them what they wanted if we play it right. I'm not sure Otis is the man to play it right, but these expirings are gold in the league at the min and I truly believe we could get some real quality help that would give us a lovely push heading towards the playoffs.

Mike Miller, Udonis Haslem, Chrix Wilcox and Brad Miller are all names I've seen banded about and with the right deal, they would all boost us in a good way because they're all better than what we have.

If anyone thinks they're unattainable...just look at the Gasol trade in particular.

If anyone doubts the impact of making a trade at the right time vs the Cleveland method Otis favours, then look to arguably the best GM in the league, Joe Dumars. Remember what trading for Sheed at the right time and right price did for the Pistons...I'm not saying a trade would make us champs this year, but these expirings are a chance we may never get again and Otis would be a fool not to use them now.

If you disagree with the trade scenario ask yourself the following 2 questions:
1) Do you think we can get that extra help/push via the draft given our past record?
2)Do you think the MLE will land us the quality of player as previously mentioned?

My answer is no to both and I feel we gotta use the expirings now.

[Last Guardian]

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go ask sixers fans how valuable miller is... marginal...?

Sixers are below .500 aren't they?

[UCFJayBird]

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I beg to differ...Saying another year of playing together will make us much better is just GM lingo

Nelson and Dwight wouldnt have been playing together for years and i dont see the benefits.

Its just false hope to say our improvements and players playing together longer will make us better.

ever heard of the Detroit Pistons? In a 5 year span they went 50, 50, 54, 54, 64. Those last 4 years include trips to the conference finals, and the first three are marks of going higher in each round each year ending in winning the NBA Championship.

How about our own Magic back in the 90s? After drafting Shaq and Penny. In the 3 years Shaq and Penny played together, our wins went 50, 57, 60. We got better each year, but then ran into the 72 win Bulls in the playoffs in the 3rd year.

How about this year's New Orleans Hornets? What has drastically changed the last three years? Nothing. Yet they're one of the best teams in the league this year.

Utah Jazz? The last few years they've had the same core. The last two years they've got 41 to 51 wins. And they're on track to win 53-54 games.

Dallas Mavericks? The three years since losing Nash - 58, 60, 67.


Your argument that teams don't improve my sticking together is horribly flawed.

[oakfanintheeast]

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Sixers are below .500 aren't they?

sure are. they aren't a good team, they're very, very young.

but they just won 6 in a row prior to last night, and won tonight... a lot of that is due to the play of andre miller.

he makes average players a lot better, something nelson does not do. did you see miller play against the magic? again, ask a sixers fan how valuable he is to the team. he is a top 5 pg on account of making everyone else around him better. something the magic need.

[magicman123]

my source tells me, otis has a very good trade hes gonna make tomorrow






but he over sleeps, and the trade dont happen

[mattyBoi]

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ever heard of the Detroit Pistons? In a 5 year span they went 50, 50, 54, 54, 64. Those last 4 years include trips to the conference finals, and the first three are marks of going higher in each round each year ending in winning the NBA Championship.

How about our own Magic back in the 90s? After drafting Shaq and Penny. In the 3 years Shaq and Penny played together, our wins went 50, 57, 60. We got better each year, but then ran into the 72 win Bulls in the playoffs in the 3rd year.

How about this year's New Orleans Hornets? What has drastically changed the last three years? Nothing. Yet they're one of the best teams in the league this year.

Utah Jazz? The last few years they've had the same core. The last two years they've got 41 to 51 wins. And they're on track to win 53-54 games.

Dallas Mavericks? The three years since losing Nash - 58, 60, 67.


Your argument that teams don't improve my sticking together is horribly flawed.

You cant be serious.

Detroit pistons winning 50,50,54,54 looks to me like staying pretty much the same and then they go out and pull off a deadline deal for Rashard and top it all off

Detroit is the One example you shouldnt use.

New Orleans hasnt been able to sustain good play because of injuries and they have been healthy hence the record.

Mainly what your argument is missing is the fact that these teams have made numerous trades to improve the team as well as drafting extremely well.

Look at the jazz picking up korver, okur,...Drafting guys like Brewer and Milsap who are key guys...Getting guys like Morris Almond for the future

And thats without mentioning how well the did getting Williams, Boozer, Kirilenko.

You simply cannot compare the Jazz to the Magic.

Dallas has added Terry, drafted Howard, Just got Kidd, drafted Harris.

Point is if we want to be serious about becoming an Elite team its NOT going to happen with what we have now.

After these expirings we have NO assets for trades

And relying on the draft hahah

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[MagicNolesFSU]

ever heard of the Detroit Pistons? In a 5 year span they went 50, 50, 54, 54, 64. Those last 4 years include trips to the conference finals, and the first three are marks of going higher in each round each year ending in winning the NBA Championship.

How about our own Magic back in the 90s? After drafting Shaq and Penny. In the 3 years Shaq and Penny played together, our wins went 50, 57, 60. We got better each year, but then ran into the 72 win Bulls in the playoffs in the 3rd year.

How about this year's New Orleans Hornets? What has drastically changed the last three years? Nothing. Yet they're one of the best teams in the league this year.

Utah Jazz? The last few years they've had the same core. The last two years they've got 41 to 51 wins. And they're on track to win 53-54 games.

Dallas Mavericks? The three years since losing Nash - 58, 60, 67.


Your argument that teams don't improve my sticking together is horribly flawed.

Honestly this tru talk. Shard and svg have been here half a season. If you think thats enough time to input an entirely new system and have every player just be comfortable in the scheme then you dont know what your talking about. Theres just no way

[mattyBoi]

I think us not being that good has less to do with getting comfortable with a scheme and more to do with our PG position, poor defense, and thin frontcourt.

[Cammo101]

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go ask sixers fans how valuable miller is... marginal...?

Hard to argue with this rock solid logic, considering Miller is leading the 76ers right back to the lottery. He sure has put them over the hump.

[oakfanintheeast]

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Hard to argue with this rock solid logic, considering Miller is leading the 76ers right back to the lottery. He sure has put them over the hump.

lottery or playoffs?

[mattyBoi]

Look i bought into all the hype before also.

We had Darko, Ariza, Howard, Nelson.

A bunch of youth all capable of becoming stars and i believed what otis was doing.

We had promise for the future, young talent, lets just let them grow together, plus add on our prized free agent and we will be set.

And then it all unraveled.

Take a look again.

Nelson is not what we thought.

Ariza and Darko are gone with basically nothing to show.

Not to mention we have nothing to show for Cato, Mobley.

We let Grant walk.

Howard carries our team on his shoulders.

Lewis is grossly overpaid and doesnt make an impact on games like a MAX player does.

Our draft picks are failures.

The optimism is gone now and the false hope from Otis has been exposed and we will see the effects for the next 6 years!!!

[Cammo101]

I think us not being that good has less to do with getting comfortable with a scheme and more to do with our PG position, poor defense, and thin frontcourt.

I think you thinking we are not very good has less to do with basketball and more to do with you being a Debbie Downer who is looking for anything to complain about.

If I would have told you we would have been the #3 seed in the East before the season you would have jumped for joy, but now halfway through it suddenly is not good enough. You are just too fickle to let something play out. You are that kid that had to have his desert halfway through his meal. One of the things I liked least about the Gabrial era was that they never followed through on anything. Every year came a new idea...rebuild, heart and hustle...but the next year did not build on the last, it just scrapped everything for the next idea. The truth is it is easy to have a plan, but it is hard to follow through on one. The good teams do. San Antonio and Detroit do not go out at the first sign of trouble and make moves just to look busy. They stay the course because they trust that the original plan was sound. We should too.

That is not to say I am against a deal, just that it needs to be the right deal and not morgage our future for a chance to get one round deeper in the playoffs. Even if that means Mattyboi may have to cry himself to sleep for a year and a half while this team grows GRADUALLY...a term he does not know exists.

[UCFJayBird]

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ever heard of the Detroit Pistons? In a 5 year span they went 50, 50, 54, 54, 64. Those last 4 years include trips to the conference finals, and the first three are marks of going higher in each round each year ending in winning the NBA Championship.

How about our own Magic back in the 90s? After drafting Shaq and Penny. In the 3 years Shaq and Penny played together, our wins went 50, 57, 60. We got better each year, but then ran into the 72 win Bulls in the playoffs in the 3rd year.

How about this year's New Orleans Hornets? What has drastically changed the last three years? Nothing. Yet they're one of the best teams in the league this year.

Utah Jazz? The last few years they've had the same core. The last two years they've got 41 to 51 wins. And they're on track to win 53-54 games.

Dallas Mavericks? The three years since losing Nash - 58, 60, 67.


Your argument that teams don't improve my sticking together is horribly flawed.

You cant be serious.

Detroit pistons winning 50,50,54,54 looks to me like staying pretty much the same and then they go out and pull off a deadline deal for Rashard and top it all off

Detroit is the One example you shouldnt use.

New Orleans hasnt been able to sustain good play because of injuries and they have been healthy hence the record.

Mainly what your argument is missing is the fact that these teams have made numerous trades to improve the team as well as drafting extremely well.

Look at the jazz picking up korver, okur,...Drafting guys like Brewer and Milsap who are key guys...Getting guys like Morris Almond for the future

And thats without mentioning how well the did getting Williams, Boozer, Kirilenko.

You simply cannot compare the Jazz to the Magic.

Dallas has added Terry, drafted Howard, Just got Kidd, drafted Harris.

Point is if we want to be serious about becoming an Elite team its NOT going to happen with what we have now.

After these expirings we have NO assets for trades

And relying on the draft hahah

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Detroit - You're looking at the wins as if that's all that matters. Like I said, those 3 years they went from losing in the conference semi-finals, to losing in the conference finals, to winning the NBA Finals.

Utah - You're joking right? Okur and Boozer has been with Utah for four years. This is AK47's 7th year in Utah. It's Deron Williams' 3rd year. That's four starters, four that have been together for 3 years, with 3 of them together for 4. In those 4 years, their wins have gone 26-41-51-54(projected). We're talking about trades, not free agency and draft moves, because that's not relevant right now. I'll give you Korver, but that wasn't exactly a huge move when it happened, which is what some fans seem to want him to do.

Dallas - Ok, throw out Kidd. That happened yesterday for crying out loud! We're talking about teams improving by staying together over several years. I'm using Dallas over the last couple years as an example for how a team can improve by staying together. Dallas went from losing Nash to making the NBA Finals in 3 years. Terry's been there four years. Harris and Howard have both been there 4 years or so (not gonna look it up this time), though Harris is now in Jersey.

Don't bring up how they got players when it happened before the time spans i'm talking about, or drafts or free agents because that's not what we're talking about.

These teams improved during spans in which they essentially had the same core from year to year. You basically said elite teams don't do that. Yes, they do. It's what makes a good team a GREAT team. Chemistry is far too underrated.

[UCFJayBird]

yea you're right mattyboi, we're on track to win 10+ more games than we won last year. We surely are regressing!

[oakfanintheeast]

cammo.. besides howard and lewis who is the "future" of orlando? nelson? sucks. fran? who knows? hedo? isn't that young? redick? no?

[mattyBoi]

Ok so how long do you think it will take this core to become the final product and what do you think the final product will be?

Will this core win a championship?

[Cammo101]

cammo.. besides howard and lewis who is the "future" of orlando? nelson? sucks. fran? who knows? hedo? isn't that young? redick? no?

Dwight, Shard, Hedo, Nelson are the core but really you can add Evans, Dooling, and Battie to that list as well. We are talking about like 2 years here, not 10. Hedo will be in his prime for 6 or 7 more years. I'm not saying we should not use the draft and MLE and trade to improve, only that "the sky is falling" mentality is both wrong and annoying.

[mattyBoi]

Keep in mind we have no trade assets and we have the worst scouting team in the entire league.