Kings/Magic trade rumor

SacTown Kings · Post #161 » by **SacTown Kings** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:01 am

Cammo101 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I know, but they couldn't think Orlando would really do that.

Well Orlando can't possibly think the Kings would trade Garcia just to get rid of Miller. That is just ridiculous and no matter how many times you try to justify it, it still makes no sense for the Kings.

You keep saying Miller is old and has 21 million dollars left on his contract... well no matter how old he is, he is playing the best ball of his career. And 21 million over 2 years for a center with skills that Miller possess is about right. Maybe not for Orlando because they paid Shard an absurd amount of money but Miller is worth 10 million a year. I think you underestimate the value of a big man that can shoot jumpshots/3pointers/and pass the ball better than a lot of point guards.

leo6287 · Post #162 » by **leo6287** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:54 am

I think that the Magic would throw in a 1st and the Rights to Fran Vazquez somethen like this

Arroyo
Garrity
JJ
Unprotected 1st
The Rights to Fran Vazquez
Cash 3 Mill

4

Miller
Garica

OVechKiN · Post #163 » by **OVechKiN** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:24 am

cant we just take out Garcia and not ask for Hedo?

Cammo101 · Post #164 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:47 am

OVechKiN wrote:cant we just take out Garcia and not ask for Hedo?

Nope. Orlando needs some part for the future if we are going to take on Miller's contract, because it puts us over the luxary tax and keeps us from being able to use our MLE this offseason. This is the entire hangup.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #165 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:50 am

Cammo101 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Nope. Orlando needs some part for the future if we are going to take on Miller's contract, because it puts us over the luxary tax and keeps us from being able to use our MLE this offseason. This is the entire hangup.

Then we'll keep Miller and Garcia. You're cap flexibility means crap to us. You're getting the best player in the deal on a reasonable deal who is average 14 10 and 3. He's your future benefit.

Cammo101 · Post #166 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:55 am

Artest93 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Then we'll keep Miller and Garcia. You're cap flexibility means crap to us. You're getting the best player in the deal on a reasonable deal who is average 14 10 and 3. He's your future benefit.

If he was a future benefit, we wouldn't be the only team in the league willing to do a deal with expirings to get him. There is a reason teams like San Antonio and Denver and Miami haven't been chasing Miller like they seem to be chasing everyone else. It is because he is a great help now for sure, but a future hinderance, not benefit.

Post #167 » by **pillwenney** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:10 am

Cammo101 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If he was a future benefit, we wouldn't be the only team in the league willing to do a deal with expirings to get him. There is a reason teams like San Antonio and Denver and Miami haven't been chasing Miller like they seem to be chasing everyone else. It is because he is a great help now for sure, but a future hinderance, not benefit.

That's crap. Consider that first off, not many teams in the league have that many expirings, and are near contending (but not quite contending) AND have a need for a center. That's why the market for Brad isn't huge. Denver doesn't quite have the expirings (and sure as hell doesn't need a center since unlike Dwight, Camby can't really move down to PF). Miami is rebuilding and thus has no need for him, and the Spurs, sure, didn't want to spend that much on him, but they also didn't exactly need the kind of boost that Brad gives them. Kurt would be sufficient. In Orlando, that wouldn't be the case.

On another, I'd like to vent as a frustrated fan about how annoying it is that one players' value is lowered "because he's a rental" and another's is lowered "because his deal is too long".

It's not even like Brad really hurts the future flexibility in Orlando. They won't have any cap space over the next 3 years anyway, so the best addition they could make would be through the MLE. No MLE player will be able to produce like Brad can.

Ballings7 · Post #168 » by **Ballings7** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:26 am

Solid post, mitch

dozencousins · Post #169 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:37 am

i think brad will get dealt to the magic tommorow for reddick,arroyo & garrity all 3 of them sat tonight i remember when we played the magic all 3 of them played

just speculation but the deal works salary wise and would save us 9 million off the books next year in cap space !

AnDrOiDKing4 · Post #170 » by **AnDrOiDKing4** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:41 am

Man imma run out of jerseys to wear, Divac, Webber, Peja, Bibby, soon Artest and Miller.

Cammo101 · Post #171 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:42 am

bdgking wrote:i think brad will get dealt to the magic tommorow for reddick,arroyo & garrity all 3 of them sat tonight i remember when we played the magic all 3 of them played

just speculation but the deal works salary wise and would save us 9 million off the books next year in cap space !

Miller may or may not get moved tomorrow, but I can assure you those 3 players have not been in the Magic's rotation for close to a month. They were never playing tonight baring injury.

Cammo101 · Post #172 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:43 am

AnDrOiDKing4 wrote:Man imma run out of jerseys to wear, Divac, Webber, Peja, Bibby, soon Artest and Miller.

I'll mail you a Garrity jersey. :nod:

dozencousins · Post #173 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:49 am

funny cammo101 garrity sucks ! he an expiring we could use i notice you keep trolling arguing with everyone here i realize your a magic fan but your wrong all those guys usually see playing time not much but at least some !

i dont personally care if you feel i am wrong we will see then come tommorow i will accept your apology !

thankyou in advance !

Cammo101 · Post #174 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:52 am

bdgking wrote:funny cammo101 garrity sucks ! he an expiring we could use i notice you keep trolling arguing with everyone here i realize your a magic fan but your wrong all those guys usually see playing time not much but at least some !

i dont personally care if you feel i am wrong we will see then come tommorow i will accept your apology !

thankyou in advance !

A) I am not trolling. I have been civil and had no problems with anyone in this thread.

B) I am certainly not wrong about who plays for the Magic. None of those 3 players are regulars in our rotation. We start Nelson, Evans, Turk, Shard, and Dwight with Dooling, Bogans, Cook, and Foyle coming off the bench. No one was expecting to see any of the 3 players you mentioned in the game against the Raptors tonight.

C) I don't mind you being right. I wouldn't mind seeing Miller come to Orlando. Though I don't see Otis doing it as mentioned.

dozencousins · Post #175 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:57 am

you have argued literally alot review your posts !

also f.y.i i never said those guys were starters all i said was they usually see playing time even if its a few minutes a game !

Cammo101 · Post #176 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:05 am

bdgking wrote:you have argued literally alot review your posts !

also f.y.i i never said those guys were starters all i said was they usually see playing time even if its a few minutes a game !

Garrity - 22 DNP's in our last 27 games.

Redick - 19 DNP's in our last 27 games.

Arroyo - 3 DNP's in our last 4 games. Before that Jameer was hurt and he had to play.

There is a difference between discussing a trade and trolling.

dozencousins · Post #177 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:12 am

please stay off our boards nobody wants or needs you here !

garrity was injured and recently came back the day we played against the magic

your right reddick doesnt get alot of action no real argument there !

arroyo gets time usually behind jameer

Cammo101 · Post #178 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:14 am

bdgking wrote:please stay off our boards nobody wants or needs you here !

garrity was injured and recently came back the day we played against the magic

your right reddick doesnt get alot of action no real argument there !

arroyo gets time usually behind jameer

No one has had a problem with me being here. I have been nothing but respectful here. You are wrong about how the Orlando players are used. Garrity has been healthy all year, he just stinks and rarely sees minutes. Arroyo is the odd man out now that Jameer is back because Dooling has carved a niche as the defensive minded backup PG.

I'm not saying a Miller deal will or won't happen. All I am saying is that those 3 guys were never seeing action tonight.

BMiller52 · Post #179 » by **BMiller52** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:15 am

bdgking wrote:you have argued literally alot review your posts !

also f.y.i i never said those guys were starters all i said was they usually see playing time even if its a few minutes a game !

Arguing does not equal trolling, trolling is insulting people and stuff like that. I might not totally agree with him on the Miller deal issue but he's not insulting people/players or anything like that, he's just stating his point of view. No offense bro but I don't think he's trolling.

Post #180 » by **pillwenney** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:15 am

bdgking wrote:please stay off our boards nobody wants or needs you here !

garrity was injured and recently came back the day we played against the magic

your right reddick doesnt get alot of action no real argument there !

arroyo gets time usually behind jameer

Woah, no need for anything like that. He's not trolling. Watch the backseat modding please.