Bucks-Pistons Postgame Thread 2/20/08

[LUKE23]

-= original quote snipped =-




oh absolutely, i don't disagree with that at all


but c'mon, you can't even get a little excited for a win over the pistons?

and all this crap about how we don't deserve it? wtf is that?
(not you)

I didn't watch the game so I can't say anything about that. To me it appears we outplayed them throughout and just got stupid sloppy at the end.

I'm a guy who thinks to the future. I think it would be an absolute nightmare if this team went on any kind of mini-run to end the year. Thus, I really can't get that excited about wins at this point.

[carmelbrownqueen]

-= original quote snipped =-



I understand the thought process behind it, but i can't process how a true fan can actually want their team to lose, ever. I know the arguments, but i can't get there, never have been able to with any team i support, and to be honest i hate hearing when someone suggests it.

I agree with you 100%.. As a fan, I struggle to understand when other fans hope for, root for or even applaud losing on ANY level. I don't agree with the idea of losing just to get a higher draft pick.. and usually when the board goes crazy with posts like that I seldom join in or even bother to finish reading what is being said.

I would personally prefer watching a team that I know is going to be one and done in the playoffs than a team that is tanking just to get another high draft pick. It's discouraging to me as a fan and I just don't understand it. We seldom end up getting the player that will make that "huge" difference in a franchise, and when you have guys that don't know how to win you further instill and promote that mindset in them. Teams that win learn how to win by actually winning.. so I would prefer having our guys go to the playoffs and learn what if feels like to play playoff basketball as they work on building toward being a championship contender is way more important to me than adding young player after young player after young player that usually don't know how to play OR win at this level of basketball.

Those special players aren't out there often in the draft and even those guys need to be drafted on teams that know how to win... continuous tanking usually doesn't help with that.

[LUKE23]

It's not even about the draft pick though, that is just the bonus to what I really want to happen, which is change throughout this organization.

Two questions:

1. What do you think the chances of significant changes being made would be if we somehow went on run here and made the playoffs?

2. Would you be happy with this exact same core of guys coming back next year, outside of the draft pick?

I realize the not wanting to lose thing. I don't sit there and cheer for them to lose. I'm just saying that if you want things to change, and I think most do, there needs to be zero doubt. Kohl isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box, remember.

[europa]

-= original quote snipped =-



upset as in not happy that we beat a really good team without playing perfectly

i don't get it

what do you want from this team? are you expecting them to wake up one day and play like the spurs? and are you not going to be happy until that happens?

I have zero expectations for this team at this point but I dare to dream that someday we'll see a Bucks team that has at least a moderate amount of basketball intelligence. It's a crazy dream and some might say it's a pipe dream but I continue to cling to it.

That said, I don't recall any posts from me in this thread which expressed disappointment with the victory - only my continued bemusement at the lack of intelligence this team so often displays in crunch time.

[paul]

It's not even about the draft pick though, that is just the bonus to what I really want to happen, which is change throughout this organization.

Two questions:

1. What do you think the chances of significant changes being made would be if we somehow went on run here and made the playoffs?

2. Would you be happy with this exact same core of guys coming back next year, outside of the draft pick?

I realize the not wanting to lose thing. I don't sit there and cheer for them to lose. I'm just saying that if you want things to change, and I think most do, there needs to be zero doubt. Kohl isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box, remember.

I agree some changes need to be made at this point, however if this team went on a serious run and challenged in the playoffs, perhaps even got through a round, I'd be happy if the majority of the core stayed intact, with the addition of a pass first heady pg.

The thing you ignore with that thinking is that for this team to go on a serious run now several things would have to happen, such as some or all of the following - Redd, Bogut and Mo would have to gell and make the inside-outside thing work, CV or Yi would have to step up big time and become a solid PF, Bobby would have to continue to get back to his previous level of play before the injury, Bogut's development and improved play would have to continue, Des, CB, Ivey and one of Jake Gadz or Ruffin would have to be very effective role players, and Coach K would have to keep his head out of his a**.

Now the likelihood of the above things all happening is very very slim, but from this point a lot of them would have to for us to make a real run and be competitive. If they don't then the moves we all want now will happen anyway, but if they do this team would look to have a bright future, and in that case I'd be happy to keep the majority of the core intact. Crazy i know.

[jerrod]

-= original quote snipped =-



I have zero expectations for this team at this point but I dare to dream that someday we'll see a Bucks team that has at least a moderate amount of basketball intelligence. It's a crazy dream and some might say it's a pipe dream but I continue to cling to it.

i want that too,

but i watch the bucks because i have fun doing it, if it ceases being fun maybe i won't watch anymore and a lot of people on here appear to not be having any fun

[showtimesam]

Well its looking more and more like we'll have this core for the rest of the season.

Even if the bucks do play well the rest of the season, major changes will be made. Although a nice finish could boost the value of some of the bucks already identified as guys that won't be around long term...

[EastSideBucksFan]

-= original quote snipped =-



i want that too,

but i watch the bucks because i have fun doing it, if it ceases being fun maybe i won't watch anymore and a lot of people on here appear to not be having any fun

Literally last night I made a bet that the Bucks would blow the lead.

I said "there's no way we win this game by double digits. I guarantee the Pistons are only firing on 2 cylinders in the first half. In the second half, they will turn it up. In the fourth quarter they will go on a run and we have a good chance of losing this game"


I turned out to be exactly right except we were able to squeek out the win.

I love watching Bucks games don't get me wrong

But it's not fun when you know your team is going to blow a lead and play stupid down the stretch. They did exactly what I said they would and I didn't want to be right, but I was.


I'm happy to see a win, but it's a discouraging win that you can't feel good about. We made far too many mistakes....for the umpteenth time.

Playing good for three quarters gives me little encouragement.

Playing a good 4th quarter would be amazing to me

[jerrod]

it's the nba, everyone makes a run


but, my point all along is that teams don't make a trade or just wake up one morning and then play in the clutch like the spurs. it takes time and great coaching (and yes, smart players) but it's not just gonna happen. even if we rebuild we're still gonna be doing stuff like that imo

but we didn't blow the lead, that's the big thing

[EastSideBucksFan]

it's the nba, everyone makes a run


but, my point all along is that teams don't make a trade or just wake up one morning and then play in the clutch like the spurs. it takes time and great coaching (and yes, smart players) but it's not just gonna happen. even if we rebuild we're still gonna be doing stuff like that imo

but we didn't blow the lead, that's the big thing

There are teams out there that know how to take a 20 point lead and turn it into a blowout. We are not one of those teams.

Sure plenty of teams make runs, but not every team blows 20 point leads which we consistently do. This team has no clue how to play with a lead and our coach has no clue how to step on a teams throat with a 20 point lead.


I'm happy we didn't just turn in a total stinker, it's more encouraging than that. But I'm still less than thrilled to continually watch this team play the same brand of basketball night in and night out.

[Sigra]

Playing good for three quarters gives me little encouragement.

Playing a good 4th quarter would be amazing to me

We played good in 4th quarter as well. Quarter has 12 minutes. We had +16 with 4 minutes left. That's not bad at all. We had +11 with 2 minutes left which is great as well. Then Rasheed hit 4 3pointers in last 2 minutes. It's not good but you can't hate entire 4th quarter because Rasheed hit 4 3pointers in last 2 minutes.

This was great win against great team period. They made crazy run in last 2 minutes but that was desperate attempt of desperate team. We controled this game for 46 minutes. I like it.

[mbucks22]

The Milwaukee Bucks...where wins have become so foreign, that fans are discouraged when they actually happen.

[EastSideBucksFan]

-= original quote snipped =-



We played good in 4th quarter as well. Quarter has 12 minutes. We had +16 with 4 minutes left. That's not bad at all. We had +11 with 2 minutes left which is great as well. Then Rasheed hit 4 3pointers in last 2 minutes. It's not good but you can't hate entire 4th quarter because Rasheed hit 4 3pointers in last 2 minutes.

This was great win against great team period. They made crazy run in last 2 minutes but that was desperate attempt of desperate team. We controled this game for 46 minutes. I like it.

I agree with you, but it's those last two to three minutes in the game where we've lost so many games. It's just frustrating to see we've made little to no progress in our management of late game situations.

After Rasheed hit two three's an adjustment should've been made. No way he should've been left open anymore.

[Sigra]

After Rasheed hit two three's an adjustment should've been made. No way he should've been left open anymore.

That is true and I am upset with that as well. Just like I was upset when Peja got wide open look for 3. Or when Jason Terry got and hit all that wide open tries early this season. That is all stupid and I agree with that.

But I am still hapy that we won this game. I don't expect any changes anyway so I want playoffs at least.

[Nowak008]

I said "there's no way we win this game by double digits. I guarantee the Pistons are only firing on 2 cylinders in the first half. In the second half, they will turn it up. In the fourth quarter they will go on a run and we have a good chance of losing this game"

So you predicted that a 19-34 team would not win by double digits against the 2nd best team in the east who beat us by 40 and 25 earlier this season?

Astounding.


I agree with Sigra. We played well for 46 mins and a guy who shoots 35% from 3 happened to make a bunch of 3's in a row.


The lack of basketball IQ starts with the coach. How can you waste 3 time outs in 30 seconds?

[mpg]

Was at the game last night, good crowd, but small. Not surprised at all by the 4th quarter meltdown. Lots of Pistons fans were there. Kohl looked pissed off most of the game, and was sitting next to an older black gentleman.

Would like to mention how poised, in-control, and fluid the Bucks' bench looked in comparison with the starters. The lineup of Ivey-Bell-Mason-Simmon-Yi was great. I think that's what it was at the time. They were very tough on defense and making the Pistons look really weak. Mo, Bogut, and Redd were out for a considerable amount of time, and the Bucks did just fine. They did better without them in the game.