Ship RJ

EFF · Post #1 » by **EFF** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:52 pm

Id rather trade RJ than VC any day. RJ is playing beyond capacity, that is, his potential is reached. I've said this on another thread but i think RJ's game is largely dependent on his youth (running and jumping/getting fouled) while VC is nifty enough to play past his prime. Trade him while he's still an All star snub and not yet 30.

Any ideas?

Pugsley_2491 · Post #2 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:59 pm

I do believe we should trade him, but after the season. Let's trade him to a team for a high lotto pick. What do you think would be a realistic pick we could get for him. Btw, I actually think it's vince that we should keep and most likely will keep over RJ. First, let's face it RJ is not a number 1 option and cannot create his own shot like Vince can. Also, from an owner's perspective, Vince puts fans in the seats and he/management love him in NJ.

KB24VC15 · Post #3 » by **KB24VC15** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:00 pm

rj is a one dimensonal scorer, nothing more, nothing less, he doesnt have the ability to make his teamates better

superLuigi21 · Post #4 » by **superLuigi21** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:01 pm

running and jumping is most players strength, not just RJ's ... i understand what ur saying, but RJ plays w/so much fire that u can tell he really wants to win.. also his jumpshot and 3 pt range have dramatically improved since his rookie yr, so i still think he can improve offensively, becoming an even better shooter

G_MoNeY · Post #5 » by **G_MoNeY** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:03 pm

regardless of how good RJ can become, he'll never reach VC's level. I thought RJ should've been dealt before Kidd was, but Kidd's status was to the point of no return.

However, it's not based on a talent level between RJ and VC now. RJ is younger and has a more favorable contract. I can see why we'd want to deal VC, but it also depends on what our goal is for the next year or so. NJ management keeps saying they want playoffs and to compete, if that's the case, you can easily replace RJ NOT VC.

MrDollarBills · Post #6 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:06 pm

We'd need a shooting swingman in return for RJ. Might as well keep him for now unless a good deal comes along.

alx · Post #7 » by **alx** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:35 pm

RJ has done alot for this team , yes we can say he was an allstar snubbed but that

netsforever · Post #8 » by **netsforever** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:22 pm

I'd rather keep RJ.

He's still somewhat young, and will still be in his prime in 3-4 years.

He's improved his game every season he's been in the league.

RJ and Harris are our foundation right now.

EFF · Post #9 » by **EFF** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:38 pm

I relaly dont think RJ is foundation material. Well first off, noone really builds a team around a small forward unless it's a lebron james we're talking about. Secondly, RJ has gotten better but in my opinion has also hit the plateau. He puts in point but doesnt help the team much as far as chemistry and playmaking goes.

I'm also surprised that everyone seems to have given up on marcus. He's only looked that bad because Frank only let him showcase mistakes, and it has seriously stunted his growth. Frank is incompetent on young talent among other things.

Who knows, it might be marcus more than devin that becomes our foundation. If only he'd smile or snarl or express SOMEthing once in a while. It's like he's controlled by a remote control somewhere upstairs.

KB24VC15 · Post #10 » by **KB24VC15** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:45 pm

Marcus actually played well last night, but he has to work on taking smarter shots and he if he wants to chuck it up, he needs to become a better shooter

EFF · Post #11 » by **EFF** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:57 pm

All of his shots were open/makeable. I dont think his shot selection is too much of an issue. If anything he just needs to think to start thinking to make those jumpshots into layups.

60cent · Post #12 » by **60cent** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:49 am

If we lose RJ, it'll be just fine. Maybe we can get a shooter in replace of him, could be from the draft too. But if we lose VC, it'll be over, it'll be devastating! Not having a reliable big to depend on would cripple us if we dont have VC. Just think about this, what do guys think would happen if RJ somehow was guarded by, let's say, Bowen? He might not even be able to throw a shot. If it's VC, he might miss a couple but it'll be there. If you got it, you got it and unfortunately RJ dont have it. He is more effective when someone can get him the ball efficiently or if he's not being guarded tightly, dribbling the ball is going to be an issue creating his own shots. Not quick enough IMO.

EFF · Post #13 » by **EFF** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:19 pm

I'm bringing this thread back because despite VC's poor performance as of late he's still much more valuable than RJ and at a reasonably more expensive price. RJ is the one who is overpaid in my opinion.

Trade him this summer before it's too late.

Serpo · Post #14 » by **Serpo** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:44 pm

RJ's the only guy that tries to be the leader since Kidd left , you can hear it when he talks . He demands himself and others to play better .
His performance wasn't too great but he tries to give his best , something i don't see with Vince .

RJ's a great 2nd-3rd option problem is we don't have a 1st option since Vince doesn't want to be the 1st option.

MrDollarBills · Post #15 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:46 pm

One of them has to go, this is clearly obvious. I'd rather have a shooter at that 3 spot anyway, but christ Carter refuses to attack the basket on a regular basis. Too bad we can't ship out both!!

Serpo · Post #16 » by **Serpo** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:49 pm

If we trade both i can assure you this team will look even more confused then it looks right now .

I say trade Vince and try to aquire a strong personality ( Coach or Player doesn't matter to me ) that can fill the void Kidd left.

MrDollarBills · Post #17 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:57 pm

Serpo you're 100% correct.

I would love for RJ to finish his career as a Net but we need someone that can be a legit 1st option and demand the double team, and sadly, Half Man/Shows Up Half the time is all we have.

S.I.C. GM · Post #18 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:59 pm

There is no reason to keep VC's contract. Did I say that out loud!?

VC is the greatest Star we have ever had. VC you are amazing. Continue to score and pass and all those highlights. I worship YOU, VC.

If the ping pong balls fall in our favor, Thornkiki needs to pick a STAR. SG prefered. We have enough Bigs and PGs, but if we are #1 Beastly please.

Another thing we get get rid of both for expiring. There is a min cap. Isnt there?

EFF · Post #19 » by **EFF** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:47 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:There is no reason to keep VC's contract. Did I say that out loud!?

If there's no reason to keep vince's contract, there is even less reason to keep RJ's. So what if RJ plays hard and tries to be a leader? He's not it.

I think the vince situation is half his fault, half Frank's. If frank leaves him out, vince would have to overrule his decision on the floor and we all know he's not that type of guy. Someone needs to go tell frank RJ is a 2nd-3rd option since he's obviously confused about that.

Serpo · Post #20 » by **Serpo** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:52 pm

I personally think Vince already overules Franks decisions with not beeing aggresive and rarely going to the rim .

You can't give a guy like Vince too much freedom , when Kidd was still here he was the one that pushed him ( at least in past seasons ) while Frank pampered him . So he hasn't felt he was pushed too hard like did in Toronto but still somewhat pushed.

Now nobody pushes him at all and thats what you get when you don't push him.