Sonics get Duhon,Marshall, and Newble??

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Post#41 » by BBen » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:27 pm

He can ball? Dude, he's shooting 37% for the year >_<
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Post#42 » by McG » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:27 pm

And how does Clevland end up with the 2nd rounder from Chicago in this!?
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Post#43 » by TheUrbanZealot » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:27 pm

Presti has helped 2 former San Antonio cohorts now...

The NBA isn't biased!

Honestly, while I have taken the stance of us not needing so many damn picks, I can't see how this deal makes sense unless we got back a pick. There are no free agents next year that are coming. I don't really understand what the plan is here? Either way, if this is true for Cleveland and they come away with:

Wally
Delonte
Wallace
Joe Smith

for Hughes and Gooden, essentially, then Cleveland becomes an immediate threat to win the east. Delonte will get a second life in Cleveland, plus Lebron will make him play better. Wally can be the #2 reliable scorer that Hughes never was and punish teams with his jumper.

Seattle? Other than helping an old cohort, there really is no purpose to this trade.
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Post#44 » by Ex-hippie » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:28 pm

McG wrote:So much for Presti's run as a capable GM...

This could be worth something if we were actually willing to make a run in FA but we all know that won't happen. So we save $9 mil next year but lose a young, cheap guard and what will be a HUGE expiring next year?

The $9 mil is nice but we can all be pissed about this sometime next year when somebody is rebuilding and wants to trade their young superstar for expirings and picks, which would could have been the definition of...


^^^ In a nutshell, yes. This sucks.
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Post#45 » by nwsports253 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:28 pm

How dont we end up with Duhon or Brown or a pick???
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Post#46 » by big L » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:31 pm

If this is it, it's his worst move, I agree.
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Post#47 » by BBen » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:31 pm

Wait, now we don't even get Brown. We don't even get a young prospect? This is an awful trade. I hate everything about it. We trade a prospect and a proven talent in Sczerbiak and we get back a bunch of old never-has-beens. Wow, just wow, I'm furious. This better not be the real trade.
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Post#48 » by McG » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:32 pm

I guess tomorrow when the Sonics increase the offer to buy out the Key lease to $35 mil we will all know where that extra $$$ came from...
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Post#49 » by P2 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:34 pm

You guys now have 16 players on your roster (if Brown is not included). So who are you going to buy out?
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Post#50 » by blazersforlyfe » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:34 pm

yah espn is reporting brown to the bulls now
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Post#51 » by nwsports253 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:36 pm

If is a really bad deal for us how doesnt Presti swoop up Brown or Duhon......... :banghead:
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Post#52 » by Joel Embust » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:37 pm

What an awful looking roster....

I don't think I can stand the sight of Wilkins-Barry-Elson-Newble-Griffin-Marshall sitting next to each other.
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Post#53 » by Ex-hippie » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:37 pm

TheUrbanZealot wrote:Honestly, while I have taken the stance of us not needing so many damn picks, I can't see how this deal makes sense unless we got back a pick.


Well, I'm on the side of "the more picks the better," so I definitely agree.

Makes me think of a recent, flawed column by NY Times writer Murray Chass (although that was redundant: all Murray Chass articles are flawed). The column proclaimed the death of "Moneyball" because only 3 of the 7 picks from Oakland's famed 2002 draft panned out. Which completely misses the point: Oakland had 7 picks in the first round! It's all a crapshoot, and the more chances you get to roll the dice, the better. Fact is, Oakland walked away from that draft with Nick Swisher, Joe Blanton and Mark Teahen, and that's pretty damn good. They got those picks by letting expensive veterans walk.

Similarly, I like the idea of letting the Sonics get a few extra rolls of the dice in future years. There are roster limits, so you have to space them out between different years, and the Supes have been doing that (e.g., they took the Spurs' pick in '09, which happens to be the year when they don't have an extra first-rounder). Some of them will succeed and some of them will fail. It may turn out, for example, that the Sonics hit the jackpot with the Phoenix pick in 2008 and crap out with the San Antonio pick in 2009. Does that mean the Thomas trade will have turned out badly? No. The strategy was to get more rolls of the dice. Diversify the portfolio, if you will.

Plus, extra picks can be valuable ammo to move up in the draft. The Phoenix pick plus one or more second-rounders can be parlayed into something in the 15-20 range. And that pick in the 15-20 range might be parlayed, with the Sonics' own pick, into a premiere pick. It could mean the difference between Derrick Rose and Jerryd Bayless, and as far as I'm concerned, that difference is huge.
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Post#54 » by OzSonic » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:39 pm

P2 wrote:You guys now have 16 players on your roster (if Brown is not included). So who are you going to buy out?


Roll the dice.

Look at the roster, I'd like to buy out most of these guys and bring in some D-Leaguers.
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Post#55 » by nwsports253 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:42 pm

OzSonic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Roll the dice.

Look at the roster, I'd like to buy out most of these guys and bring in some D-Leaguers.


Id like Shannon Brown and Duhon, maybe we some more deals in the works? Probably not though....
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Post#56 » by P2 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:42 pm

OzSonic wrote:Roll the dice.

Look at the roster, I'd like to buy out most of these guys and bring in some D-Leaguers.


Hopefully it will be Elson or Barry.
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Post#57 » by Rocky5000 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:43 pm

So when you combine this with the trade to get West, and Wally...

Ray Allen for Jeff Green, Ira Newble, Donyell Marshall, and Griffin.

I really feel bad for the Seattle fans. I loved the Sonics back in the Payton/Kemp days, but it seems like management is just trying to save as much money as possible.
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Post#58 » by Joel Embust » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:44 pm

Newble and Marshall in green and gold, GOD NO....
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Post#59 » by OzSonic » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:44 pm

nwsports253 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Id like Shannon Brown and Duhon, maybe we some more deals in the works? Probably not though....


Hasn't the deadline expired now, I'm not sure I'm 10 hours ahead of you guys. :P

P2 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Hopefully it will be Elson or Barry.


And it probably will be.
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Post#60 » by big L » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:44 pm

I think the front office is officially attacking the fan base in Seattle--um, I mean fully rebuilding.
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