Jazz tried to get Thomas

de2nd · Post #1 » by **de2nd** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:34 pm

According to Locke on 1320, the Jazz tried heavily to get Kurt Thomas from the Sonics, but the Jazz had already traded a 1st round pick in the Kyle Korver deal and by NBA rules we cant trade another. Also the Sonics wanted an expiring contract. We wanted to give them Ostertags, but Ostertag was a dumb@$$ and already publicly "announced" he retired even though he hasnt put in his papers. The league would have prevented it.

Almost.

Oh well......We have Jarron Collins man!!!!!

Post #2 » by **loserX** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:40 pm

Dang. I'd been stumping for a Kurt Thomas trade forever.

(We actually can trade another pick, but it would have been very complicated with conditions and protections and so on...I'm guessing the Sonics just took the Spurs' 2009 pick without any strings and said "thanks very much".)

hoops4life · Post #3 » by **hoops4life** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:59 pm

That is somewhat comforting to know that they tried to do it.

Ming Kong! · Post #4 » by **Ming Kong!** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:08 am

Question, did trade one of our future picks, or the Knicks future pick (the 2010 unprotected pick). It's really starting to look more and more like the Knicks are going to be stuck in the pits of the league for the next few years, especially 3 summers from now.

Duiz · Post #5 » by **Duiz** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:10 am

I think Kurt Thomas would have been very pimp for KOC.

Very tough now to be in the trade table when we have only two players we can gamble with, which are Jarron Collins and Jason Hart, and then the somewhat open beginning to age Matt Harpring. Also what do we want to give up? Our NY 1st round draft pick... That is crazy stuff.

I think that having Thomas would have been cool cause he is a stud, but so would have been Ray Allen. Why do we want to touch the rotation that has given us a 19-3 record since we added Korver?

de2nd · Post #6 » by **de2nd** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:20 am

Ming Kong! wrote:Question, did trade one of our future picks, or the Knicks future pick (the 2010 unprotected pick). It's really starting to look more and more like the Knicks are going to be stuck in the pits of the league for the next few years, especially 3 summers from now.

The Jazz still own "the Knicks pick."

Pai Gow · Post #7 » by **Pai Gow** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:34 am

If we got Thomas, I honestly couldn't see anything getting in our way to get back to the WCF..

Hard2dhole · Post #8 » by **Hard2dhole** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:37 am

Too bad the Jazz were not able to pull off another trade to put them over the top before the deadline.

Hey this post is #750 I've just made Assistant GM! :clap:

erudite23 · Post #9 » by **erudite23** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:13 am

Too bad, really. He would have been perfect for what we need, as long as we don't give up too much in return, obviously.

I've been torn at the prospect of trading Almond in a prospective deal like this one all year long, and now it appears that it won't happen after all. Still, giving Almond up in a deal for Thomas would have made me happy for this year, though ultimately would have been a negative move in the big picture.

This team is in as good a shape right now as any team the league has seen for awhile. We have a young legend-in-the-making point guard. A beast of a PF who can score on anyone down low, but still possesses a devastating mid range game. A versatile combo forward who does some of everything and might be the most valuable energy player in the game. A sweet shooting big man who can stretch the floor, rebound and take it inside when the need arises. An excellent mixture of wing talent, including a dead-eye shooter, a versatile do-it-all teenager with obvious upside, an athletic freak of a slasher who can finish at the hoop with anyone, and a prospective shooter/scorer extraordinaire who seems to fit our offense perfectly.

That doesn't even mention Millsap, who is still rather unknown because of his lack of opportunity.

Seriously, what team can hope to match our combo of youth, production, and potential? The only ones who have a decent outside shot are LAL and Portland. LAL, though, is built around a 30 year old SG with 12+ years worth of tread on his tires, while Portland has a ton of young prospects, but because they are unproven there is not telling what could happen for sure......WOW. It's a very nice time to be a Jazz fan!

Racer X · Post #10 » by **Racer X** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:15 am

Damn.

Post #11 » by **bleu** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:01 am

I woulda loved to see that happen.

Malone Strong · Post #12 » by **Malone Strong** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:31 am

Man....KOC scores major points w/ me for even attempting this. It proves he understands the weaknesses and wants to address them. Its just unfortunate that his signing of Hart created a weakness...but his signing of Price apparantly solved it so they cancel each other out..... :lol:

carrottop12 · Post #13 » by **carrottop12** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:42 am

Always like K-Thomas, I was wondering if the Jazz had looked at him before, good savy vet who won't cause problems. I'm sure the Jazz were offering CJ and Collins, but Barry & Elson + future pick>>>CJ, Collins and future pick.

hoops4life · Post #14 » by **hoops4life** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:26 am

They just wanted a salary dump so I don't think that the players really mattered much.

blackham9258 · Post #15 » by **blackham9258** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:42 am

Wow, I am surprised that people are happy with us trying to go after K. Thomas. He is a very mediocre C/PF. I would have much rather been going after someone like Jeff Foster. That man is a lock down defender and one of the top 5 rebounders in the league. I think we could have go him by giving away Collins and Almond.

I personally don't think Almond will ever have a higher trade value than right now. He is burning up the D League, but the Jazz know that he isn't athletic enough to keep up right now, and with the addition of Korver and unathletic shooter....we already have.

Thoughts.

Post #16 » by **loserX** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:36 am

blackham9258 wrote:Wow, I am surprised that people are happy with us trying to go after K. Thomas. He is a very mediocre C/PF. I would have much rather been going after someone like Jeff Foster. That man is a lock down defender and one of the top 5 rebounders in the league. I think we could have go him by giving away Collins and Almond.

I personally don't think Almond will ever have a higher trade value than right now. He is burning up the D League, but the Jazz know that he isn't athletic enough to keep up right now, and with the addition of Korver and unathletic shooter....we already have.

Thoughts.

Kurt Thomas is probably as good at defending big men as Foster (both are good, neither is "lockdown"), and Foster averages 17.1 R/48, while Thomas averages 16.6 R/48. They are a lot closer than you make them out to be, but I do agree a Collins/Almond/filler deal could have tempted the Pacers to give up Foster.

Neon Black · Post #17 » by **Neon Black** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:55 am

this would have been great. It's little trades like this one and the Korver deal that push a good team to be great, not necessarily trading your all-star for 14 role players or a downward-spiralling former all-star veteran.

Duiz · Post #18 » by **Duiz** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:22 am

Well I think that Seattle indeed did it just for the heck of the salary space and the the draft pick..

have you heard this? between the next two or three years, Seattle has 6 first round draft picks and 7 second round draft picks. That is insane, and also, they are going to go so under the cap after this season is over with the parade of the expiring contracts. Also one of the biggest free agent markets is coming this summer.

I am pretty pleased though with where we are. I like our current rotation, in which Boozer, Okur, and Millsap share a similar amount of minutes and Jarron only used to defend big man in spare occasions.

CAE15 · Post #19 » by **CAE15** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:31 am

well would we have really wanted to have Jazz get Kurt Thomas, Spurs get Ron Artest?

de2nd · Post #20 » by **de2nd** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:19 pm

Duiz wrote:Well I think that Seattle indeed did it just for the heck of the salary space and the the draft pick..

have you heard this? between the next two or three years, Seattle has 6 first round draft picks and 7 second round draft picks. That is insane, and also, they are going to go so under the cap after this season is over with the parade of the expiring contracts. Also one of the biggest free agent markets is coming this summer.

I am pretty pleased though with where we are. I like our current rotation, in which Boozer, Okur, and Millsap share a similar amount of minutes and Jarron only used to defend big man in spare occasions.

Seattle is stockpiling, exactly what we did which allowed us to trade up for Deron, as well as throw in other picks in other deals. A few years from now, the Northwest will be the toughest division in the NBA. Portland, Denver, Seattle, Utah.