Money real reason no trade made

[MagiChamps]

No matter what you claim ......I am a Magic fan and I approve this message.

lol I like this kid.

[richboy]

Rashard is a shooter. Shooters open up the offense but there not worth max contracts. The amount of money they signed Rashard they could have signed Kapano and Gerald Wallace. They could have done Gwallace and Nocioni. Darko and Nocioni. You could even have brought back Grant Hill if Rashard was not obtained. IMO with any of those they would have seen success in this weak eastern conference. I also know that your team has more talent and more flexibility in trades. As guys like Darko, Kapano, Nocioni, Gwallace could be traded in the future. Rashard is locked up as a 20 million third option. With the only way people to justify his contract is by giving him credit for the performance of other players. Rashard was a horrible signing. We signed a 20 million dollar post player with a jump shot when we already had a post player. Sorry that jump shot isn't opening things that much.

The point of this thread isn't Rashard. Its the fact that how do you improve this team with the first signs that there is a self imposed cap on it.

[EasternMagic]

Eastermagic how can you in all good conscience make such a claim when you started the insults and the "whats his face" comments merely by me pointing out that you have no evidence to support a claim that other teams made any offers of the max to rashard? You have zero moral high ground

You both are simply sore at the point of view and the day that I worry about the opinions of someone who starts insulting me because he doesn't like me pointing out a lack of evidence will be a cold day in Hades .

especially when they write nonsense like this

yes but i admitted i was wrong and frustrated when i said that and i calmed down and tried to have a civilized argument with you but you just continue to shoot out insults and you continue to prove him right. and ive given you answers to your posts. no they are not written in stone evidence but neither is anything you are saying to me simply just different opinions. You my friend are the only one letting this become a problem seeing as how you are the one getting flustered i told you i was wrong when i said whats his face and i shouldnt have done that but you continue to beat down on everyone you can. does it make you feel good or something? were talking about sports man

[maginno]

That sux for you in miami, but im sure you have some strong arguments for them this season .

Nope. They just ask me where my championship banner is hanging and thats the end of the argument. Still sucks.

[EasternMagic]

-= original quote snipped =-



Nope. They just ask me where my championship banner is hanging and thats the end of the argument. Still sucks.

i want to make it clear to you that i had taken back what i had said, and in now way meant to upset you but with your posts its like everyone of them you wish to prove that we are low life stupid idiots. i have offered you my support to my claim on rashard and you have offered me yours, there is no way you could prove either one 100% correct this is just sports man im sorry the other guys insulted your fanhood but there is no reason to just constantly take shots at people

[EasternMagic]

Rashard is a shooter. Shooters open up the offense but there not worth max contracts. The amount of money they signed Rashard they could have signed Kapano and Gerald Wallace. They could have done Gwallace and Nocioni. Darko and Nocioni. You could even have brought back Grant Hill if Rashard was not obtained. IMO with any of those they would have seen success in this weak eastern conference. I also know that your team has more talent and more flexibility in trades. As guys like Darko, Kapano, Nocioni, Gwallace could be traded in the future. Rashard is locked up as a 20 million third option. With the only way people to justify his contract is by giving him credit for the performance of other players. Rashard was a horrible signing. We signed a 20 million dollar post player with a jump shot when we already had a post player. Sorry that jump shot isn't opening things that much.

The point of this thread isn't Rashard. Its the fact that how do you improve this team with the first signs that there is a self imposed cap on it.

you keep saying the same things to me and im just gonna keep saying the same things to you man were just gonna have to agree to disagree i dont agree that with any of those players it couldve been the same especially with everyone you listed except wallace. wallace is your only true shot at making this team better without rashard. but regardless he still doesnt do wat rashard does and kapono wouldve been exactly what he is to us that he is to toronto. and theres no way grant hill stays with us and if he did no way our trainning staff gets him as healthy as phoenix's did

[MagiChamps]

you continue to beat down on everyone you can. does it make you feel good or something? were talking about sports man

[/quote]

I think that this comment is sarcastic and insulting. You put something like this in a lot of your posts that's why Maginno is getting frustrated. I don't know how you expect him to sit down and be quiet when you say stupid things like this to piss him off.

[EasternMagic]

-= original quote snipped =-



I think that this comment is sarcastic and insulting. You put something like this in a lot of your posts that's why Maginno is getting frustrated. I don't know how you expect him to sit down and be quiet when you say stupid things like this to piss him off.

its not meant to be sarcastic im seriously trying to figure out why he acts, and no offense but have you read all of his posts its kinda hard to understand whats going on here if you havent

[MagiChamps]

-= original quote snipped =-


its not meant to be sarcastic im seriously trying to figure out why he acts, and no offense but have you read all of his posts its kinda hard to understand whats going on here if you havent

Actually yes I have... and I find it sarcastic and insulting that you assume I would interject without knowing what's going on... lol.

[EasternMagic]

[quote="playjredz"]-= original quote snipped =-



I think that this comment is sarcastic and insulting. You put something like this in a lot of your posts that's why Maginno is getting frustrated. I don't know how you expect him to sit down and be quiet when you say stupid things like this to piss him off.[/quote

oh and justin ive said stuff like this about 5 times trying just to have civilized arguments but he keeps responding with bashing comments on anyone who gets involved.

yes but i admitted i was wrong and frustrated when i said that and i calmed down and tried to have a civilized argument with you but you just continue to shoot out insults and you continue to prove him right. and ive given you answers to your posts. no they are not written in stone evidence but neither is anything you are saying to me simply just different opinions. You my friend are the only one letting this become a problem seeing as how you are the one getting flustered i told you i was wrong when i said whats his face and i shouldnt have done that but you continue to beat down on everyone you can.i want to make it clear to you that i had taken back what i had said, and in now way meant to upset you but with your posts its like everyone of them you wish to prove that we are low life stupid idiots. i have offered you my support to my claim on rashard and you have offered me yours, there is no way you could prove either one 100% correct this is just sports man im sorry the other guys insulted your fanhood but there is no reason to just constantly take shots at people

you really just come into this right now and understand whats going on
all i really want to do is let this guy know i understand where he's going and i respect his opinion

[EasternMagic]

-= original quote snipped =-



Actually yes I have... and I find it sarcastic and insulting that you assume I would interject without knowing what's going on... lol.

im really not in the mood to get into it with you right now, your not really being funnyand if you really read every post that we have been talking about you would see that hes been trying to fuel us and i seriously have calmed down trying to level with him so please dont try and push me further

[maginno]

yes but i admitted i was wrong and frustrated when i said that and i calmed down

Missed that admission but if you did my apologies but come on you haven't noticed that I've been accused the last few pages of being a hater of people, not a true fan, only here to stir things up, same person posting under a different username and on and on.

Richboy as well gets all kinds of things hurled at him too so don't pretend like its just a walk through the park with all you guys being nice chaps in bowler hats and bow ties picking daisies . far from it.

I'd say 90% of my arguments here are around various excuses for Otis. I mean some of you will SLAUGHTER a player. Say he's washed up, bust , should be traded for a ballboy if they don't produce. You can be a magic fan if you hate Arroyo, think JJ is a scrub don't give a rip whether all the young players are traded if they aren't getting the job done but Otis? When Otis doesn't produce you start trotting out the excuses, the imaginary reasons and the accusations questioning fan loyalty in defense of Otis.

What gives? WHen he mumbles is there some kind of voodoo trance he's casting. Why is he exempt from producing? Horrible drafts, Overpayng players, letting players walk for nothing, sitting on his hands while other Gms are improving their team, claiming he likes a team without a PF and yet no one must call a spade a spade or you all get excited.

Not that it matters to me. I post anyway but its a curious phenomenon considering how you talk about some of our players.

[MagiChamps]

Yes you admit you're wrong but you throw in things like this:

but you just continue to shoot out insults and you continue to prove him right.

You my friend are the only one letting this become a problem seeing as how you are the one getting flustered

you continue to beat down on everyone you can.

with your posts its like everyone of them you wish to prove that we are low life stupid idiots.

Sorry I think those comments are insulting. I no I wasn't kidding I seriously wasted like an hour reading the whole thread. Thanks for the insult but I wasn't trying to be funny.

[lovehoops01]

-= original quote snipped =-



Well beyond that you have to look at the timing of the agreement to pay the max. If you recall we met with rashard the very first day of official free agency and all sides have reported that an agreement for the max was reached then. There isn't even time for another team to have driven up the price on Shard since the rules of free agency forbid teams from making offers before the signing period begins. it simply makes no sense to claim other teams would have offered what in fact they never got to offer. its just pure imagination.

We locked in on Shard and didn't care about any thing else or anyone else. I think it was Wallace that was scheduled for the next day or two and his trip was cancelled.

For the record I am not here to stir up anything. I am a magic fan in Miami that after seeing my Heat friends rub it in that they got a championship first would love to see the Magic make progress toward their own championship. I don't believe that will happen with Otis. Last year he was saying the same thing about staying the course liking the young players including Darko and Ariza. That was his plan and then they were gone. Now his plan sees us going into the playoffs with Shard as our PF. Makes no sense and the Otis supporters are really upset now because the rest of the board now agrees with that assessment.

Well, you might have forgotten, but the Magic were not the first team to meet with Rashard. They were the third. He was at home in Houston when free agency started. The Sonics flew in to talk with him first. The Rockets came next. The Blazers -- coached by Nate McMillan, who Rashard played for in Seattle -- also called to express interest. And then Rashard came to Orlando. All that was reported in the Houston Chronicle. The deal was reached on the first day. But the Magic weren't the only ones pursuing him and not the only team that met with him that day. They were, in fact, the third team to meet with him.

I also am disappointed that they were not able to do something with Garrity's expiring and one of the guards' because Garrity has been one of the biggest sources of aggravation I have had with this franchise since the day they traded Penny for him. But I think a lot of the deals that got done were inside deals that no one else had a shot at because former co-workers made deals with guys who have moved on to other teams (Laker/Grizzlies and Spurs/Sonics). Or the other team had an asset that the Magic did not have to offer. Cavs wanted Ben Wallace once they couldn't get Jason Kidd. Suns wanted Shaq.

As far as how the direction of the team has changed, I personally am not that upset that Darko is no longer with us. His play was very up and down when he was here and his agent demanded $10 million per season, too. And he's playing even worse in Memphis. Ariza....I was not happy with that deal when it was made, but I think that has more to do with Van Gundy than Otis. He wouldn't play the guy. Otis had to get someone he would play. The change in direction with him could be more related to the change in coaching than a change in what Otis wanted to do.

I'm not saying that Otis is infallible or even that I agree with everything that he has done. I'm just saying that he gets criticized for a lot of things that people say he could have done when in fact they cannot say for sure that those were options for him because they weren't on the phone with all those other executives and the rumors and news reports have been totally mixed and unreliable.

With all due respect (which is more than you have afforded me with all your sarcastic comments, I might add), if you're a fan living in Miami, then you must be able to find something to talk about on our site except how crappy management is. Your complaints would be a lot easier to hear if you ever commented on anything else or had anything positive to say about something or someone related to the team. It takes the edge off all the complaining. The team is 34-22 -- and while that is not the end-all, be-all and certainly not acceptable just to rest on its laurels of achieving that, it is a lot better than it has been of late, and some of the players on the roster are pretty good players. Some of those players and their contracts that you hate so much have had some good nights for the team.

Besides, your Heat fan friends shouldn't have a lot to be crowing about this season. Not a whole lot the season before that either. They barely have beat the Magic for two seasons now. And because they are making you miserable, it would be appreciated if you didn't try to make us miserable, too.

[EasternMagic]

[quote="maginno"][/quote]

i did a few different times im to lazy to go get the quotes but if you want i can. and yes i have noticed it and i was trying to say that in a my other earlier ones they shouldnt have done that, thats dumb and you were right to be mad, but i think they started doing it in response to response you made that they felt the same way. but your right you are a true fan no matter what your opinions might be, and you should be respected, but in all seriousness here not trying to be a jerk, but maybe just try to lessen up on the insults, just cause it gets people fired up. i did read you whole post and i didnt really quite understand what you were trying to say in the last two paragraphs (probably just cause my eyes are so tired from this thread lol) but still your right your opinions should be respected and especially when you back them up with all you support, you obviously know what your talking about, i still disagree on somethings, but you do know what your talking about. does that kinda clear things up, im not trying to sound all condescending and friendly just trying to clear things up. no magic fans should have bad blood between each other, and next time if that happens again you can count on me to stick up for you ( not trying to sound gay and stupid lol)

[maginno]

-= original quote snipped =-



Actually yes I have... and I find it sarcastic and insulting that you assume I would interject without knowing what's going on... lol.

Careful there playjredz if you use a little wit they'll claim that you are calling them idiots even when you aren't - at the time

Just kidding easternmagic. Wrapping up my day and its late. Your last posts indicate to me you aren't like the lovehoops. You can process another point of view.

[EasternMagic]

Yes you admit you're wrong but you throw in things like this:
-= original quote snipped =-



Sorry I think those comments are insulting. I no I wasn't kidding I seriously wasted like an hour reading the whole thread. Thanks for the insult but I wasn't trying to be funny.

im sorry you felt i was insulting you, i really didnt think you read all this and im surprised you did thats alot of reading! the lol's you put in make it seem like your joking ( the beauty of internet communication) and in response to that quote you have to understand how frustrating it was in this big argument, constantly being bashed on and same for him thats why im trying to clear things up right now. so please (not being insulting) let me and him just work it out itll be a whole lot easier. i understand where you are coming from tho

[EasternMagic]

-= original quote snipped =-



Careful there playjredz if you use a little wit they'll claim that you are calling them idiots even when you aren't - at the time

Just kidding easternmagic. Wrapping up my day and its late. Your last posts indicate to me you aren't like the lovehoops. You can process another point of view.

LOL thank you i just wanted to make sure you saw that so i didnt go to bed on a bad note lol. till our next argument it was fun haha

[lovehoops01]

Yeah, that's it. I'm a bad guy because I think that not everything about the team that I'm supposed to be a fan of sucks and that I object to some things said by that people who do think everything about it sucks.

[MagiChamps]

-= original quote snipped =-


im sorry you felt i was insulting you, i really didnt think you read all this and im surprised you did thats alot of reading! the lol's you put in make it seem like your joking ( the beauty of internet communication) and in response to that quote you have to understand how frustrating it was in this big argument, constantly being bashed on and same for him thats why im trying to clear things up right now. so please (not being insulting) let me and him just work it out itll be a whole lot easier. i understand where you are coming from tho

lol you're sorry about my feelings but not about the actual insult? lol whatever i don't care i'm sure your in bed now... guys don't take this kid too seriously i know him in real life and he's super cool but once he gets his mind made up it's not gonna change.