What the future holds for the Kings...

[Smills91]

What do the Kings do now?

Well this is how I see this team going(short term)...they're still going to compete, they depending on how this road trip goes I still think we have a decent shot at the playoffs. We'll try and either squeak in or just miss IMO.
We'll end up with a pick in the 12-19 range. And IMO I see Petrie taking a PG. Darren Collison? Tywon Lawson? Somebody like that, not necessarily those guys but a PG nonetheless.

Then I see 2 items of business this off-season. Kings re-sign Beno Udrih to a large portion of the MLE something like 4 years 18 million-20 million?

Then I see the Kings re-signing Ron Artest to a 4-5 year deal in the 40-50 million dollar range(comparable to Kevin Martin Money) with a lot of 'provisions' in it if he acts up.

The 2nd round of the draft is a crap shoot and I fully expect Petrie to draft BPA regardless of position even if it's a 2 guard.

That'll leave the Kings roster as:

C: Brad Miller, Mikki Moore, Spencer Hawes
PF: SAR, Shelden Williams, Kenny Thomas
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Beno Udrih, Darren Collison?

Geoff may deal one of his 2nd rounders, but you can use that to fill out the remainder of the roster there.

I know many of you want Ron gone, but I think he's a Sacramento King for a while. And that makes me glad.

Long term I see 2010 as the year the Kings go for broke for a Free Agent.
You figure: Hawes/Martin/Ron/1st round pick this year and next year/Garcia extended/Salmons and a FA and that's a damn good team moving forward.

[BMiller52]

I don't really like Collison all that much, rather have DJ Augustin or Jared BAYLESS. Actually I like JB's game a lot, I would love having him at PG for us.

[KF10]

Umm, Bayless is projected to be within the top 6 or so...I highly doubt he drops to us...

IF he did drop to us, I get him in a HEARTBEAT...

[deNIEd]

Smills^
I have a feeling you may be spot on...although I'm dreading it, because that team is no where near what it will take to compete with Por/NO, and will win us absolutely nothing.

We NEED our franchise player, something we DO NOT have.

Would something like this work out?

S&T Artest + Miller for
S. Marbury + 08 pick swap?

[GMcapable]

I agree Im so happy we held on to Ron and think he is also happy which is great for us going into the summer. I agree we resign Udrih and Ron. I would love to see us draft Hibbert though. I like Laywson but I dont think he will be a great NBA PG. Hibbert is NBA ready now and could start right away with Hawes

[pillwenney]

Smills^
I have a feeling you may be spot on...although I'm dreading it, because that team is no where near what it will take to compete with Por/NO, and will win us absolutely nothing.

We NEED our franchise player, something we DO NOT have.

Would something like this work out?

S&T Artest + Miller for
S. Marbury + 08 pick swap?

A S&T won't be able to happen before the draft, to my knowledge.

[SacKingZZZ]

Well at the current pace we can only lose about 4 games from here on out to be at the pace the 7/8th seeds are at right now. So 25 and 4 it is!

[SacKingZZZ]

What do the Kings do now?

Well this is how I see this team going(short term)...they're still going to compete, they depending on how this road trip goes I still think we have a decent shot at the playoffs. We'll try and either squeak in or just miss IMO.
We'll end up with a pick in the 12-19 range. And IMO I see Petrie taking a PG. Darren Collison? Tywon Lawson? Somebody like that, not necessarily those guys but a PG nonetheless.

Then I see 2 items of business this off-season. Kings re-sign Beno Udrih to a large portion of the MLE something like 4 years 18 million-20 million?

Then I see the Kings re-signing Ron Artest to a 4-5 year deal in the 40-50 million dollar range(comparable to Kevin Martin Money) with a lot of 'provisions' in it if he acts up.

The 2nd round of the draft is a crap shoot and I fully expect Petrie to draft BPA regardless of position even if it's a 2 guard.

That'll leave the Kings roster as:

C: Brad Miller, Mikki Moore, Spencer Hawes
PF: SAR, Shelden Williams, Kenny Thomas
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Beno Udrih, Darren Collison?

Geoff may deal one of his 2nd rounders, but you can use that to fill out the remainder of the roster there.

I know many of you want Ron gone, but I think he's a Sacramento King for a while. And that makes me glad.

Long term I see 2010 as the year the Kings go for broke for a Free Agent.
You figure: Hawes/Martin/Ron/1st round pick this year and next year/Garcia extended/Salmons and a FA and that's a damn good team moving forward.

No that will leave the Kings roster as IS.

Don't forget Ron and Kevin are taking up a good portion of the cap in '10, plus whatever Garcia makes, the next two lotto picks we get, Hawes, and Salmons, and you forgot Beno. Will there be any money to even add a player with?

Oh and don't forget that the only reason Ron is still a King is because the Nuggets wouldn't add Linas Kleiza....LINAS KLEIZA!!! That and the Kings wouldn't trade him for Najera/1st on priniple alone I am sure.

I am not sold that Ron is a long term fixture in Sac, the Kings were plenty ready to move him if the deal was right. If a team is going to sign a player to a 10 million + a year contract he better be one of those guys you wouldn't move for anything less than equal talent or a top pick. Linas Kleiza and the 25th pick is a far cry. A damn far cry.

[Ballings7]

Being a Ron-guy, I'm cool with him staying if he does. I'd say it is an average possibility, again. For him, there are reasons to stay, too.

I expect a PF or PG in the draft. With the depth of bigs in this draft, I'm still siding to a PF. As well as that being our least talented position.

I expect one of Moore/KT/SAR gone.

I can see Douby being dealt.

A S&T won't be able to happen before the draft, to my knowledge.

Can't trades between teams who are out of the playoffs happen, though?

[pillwenney]

Being a Ron-guy, I'm cool with him staying if he does. I'd say it is an average possibility, again. For him, there are reasons to stay, too.

I expect a PF or PG in the draft. With the depth of bigs in this draft, I'm still siding to a PF. As well as that being our least talented position.

I expect one of Moore/KT/SAR gone.

I can see Douby being dealt.

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Can't trades between teams who are out of the playoffs happen, though?

Yes, but I don't believe FA's can be signed until July, and thus a S&T would have to wait.

[Smills91]

[quote="SacKingZZZ"][/quote]You underestimate Petrie IMO. 2010 is HIS off-season. I know we'll extend Garcia, it's a no-brainer, but how much do you give him per year? My guess would be MLE level money as a 6th man off the bench role. I see both parties agreeing to that, a 4 or 5 year deal worth 18-24 million. As for Beno, the more I think about the more he'll actually get a large portion of the MLE on a 3 year deal, with a team option on the third year, meaning that he CAN expire in 2010 when Brad/Kenny/SAR/Mikki all come off the books. Those four contracts equate to rougly THIRTY million dollars. A garcia extension, with Martin/Ron/Salmons with a couple more rookie deals isn't going to be more than 40-45 million dollars tops. That's about 12-15 million under the cap in 2010. That'll be PLENTY to sign a stud FA and move forward from there.

[deNIEd]

I expect one of Moore/KT/SAR gone.

I can see Douby being dealt.

Lol, I doubt it. For how many years have we said that? Oh this deadline I expect KT or SAR to be dealt. Well This Summer KT will be dealt for sure. Well This deadline KT will be dealt for sure. No one wants them.

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You underestimate Petrie IMO. 2010 is HIS off-season. I know we'll extend Garcia, it's a no-brainer, but how much do you give him per year? My guess would be MLE level money as a 6th man off the bench role. I see both parties agreeing to that, a 4 or 5 year deal worth 18-24 million. As for Beno, the more I think about the more he'll actually get a large portion of the MLE on a 3 year deal, with a team option on the third year, meaning that he CAN expire in 2010 when Brad/Kenny/SAR/Mikki all come off the books. Those four contracts equate to rougly THIRTY million dollars. A garcia extension, with Martin/Ron/Salmons with a couple more rookie deals isn't going to be more than 40-45 million dollars tops. That's about 12-15 million under the cap in 2010. That'll be PLENTY to sign a stud FA and move forward from there.

Lets see
K. Martin - 11.5
R. Artest - 11
J. Salmons 5.8
F. Garcia - 4.8
(Not extending any rookies, risky)
S. Williams - 5.7
S. Hawes - 3.0
Q. Douby - 3.1
08 1st - 2.4
09 1st - 2.2
10 1st - 1.8
That's 51.3 Million Right there

Is that enough to sign anyone?
I don't understand the Cap, if the cap was say 60 mil, could we offer someone 9 mil? or offer them more than that?

[sackings916]

I cant see the Kings paying Artest 11 mill, there's no market for him in that area and the Kings would be making the same mistake they did with Webber giving him a contract that large.

[Smills91]

I think Ron will get Kevin Martin money with maybe a year shorter and some team options or behavior clauses that would terminate the contract.

[Cruel_Ruin]

The idea is to eventually get a franchise player to build around. Ron, I think, can be built around temporarily until the 2010 season when we will have near max money to throw around.

[Ballings7]

I agree ^.

[ICMTM]

I cant see the Kings paying Artest 11 mill, there's no market for him in that area and the Kings would be making the same mistake they did with Webber giving him a contract that large.

Wrong.

After seeing so much discussion around Artest and the way he's been playing I seriously believe there's a bigger market for Ron Artest than what I thought was there. If you look at it as an optimist other than the domestic incident he hasn't done anything wrong Since being in Sacramento. His flagrant and technical fouls are WAY down, and other than the week of flexing he's been better than he gets credit for. Sacramento is a rehabilitation center for the league. GM's that are able to look at what he's been doing on the court and how he's managed to stay out of trouble (relative to his past) can see he's not the behavioral risk when we 1st traded for him.

Ron Artest gets a rap because he went into the stands, which he deserves, but if you look at how he's conducted himself since can we really say he's a loose canon still?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2281289

[Smills91]

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Wrong.

After seeing so much discussion around Artest and the way he's been playing I seriously believe there's a bigger market for Ron Artest than what I thought was there. If you look at it as an optimist other than the domestic incident he hasn't done anything wrong Since being in Sacramento. His flagrant and technical fouls are WAY down, and other than the week of flexing he's been better than he gets credit for. Sacramento is a rehabilitation center for the league. GM's that are able to look at what he's been doing on the court and how he's managed to stay out of trouble (relative to his past) can see he's not the behavioral risk when we 1st traded for him.

Ron Artest gets a rap because he went into the stands, which he deserves, but if you look at how he's conducted himself since can we really say he's a loose canon still?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2281289

Amen!!!!!!! this is what I've been preaching on the trade board for months now. Ron's behavior antics are SOOOOOO overblown. I'll take my chances on Ron, cuz IMO he's LEARNED more than other 'loose cannons' from the trials he's had to go through in his past. He's not the same Ron that went into the stands. Is he a little nutty/quirky, SURE, but that's what makes him such a great player.

[backer55]

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[Cruel_Ruin]

I'd like to see the Kings keep Ron for the next three years or so. That way, he'll be a huge expiring the year after Kenny/Brad/SAR expire. Lakers got Pau Gasol for expirings and a few late firsts. I could see a similar situation soon with another superstar.

BUT, until then, time to let Ron and all of his flexing craziness loose onto the NBA, with Martin as his sidekick and eventually Hawes as a rich mans' Brad Miller in the post. Say we get OJ Mayo in this year's draft...

Mayo/Beno
Martin/Salmons
Artest/Garcia
Mikki/Shelden
Miller/Hawes

That could make the playoffs IMO.