Mavs offseason

[catalyst]

Mavs will need a big inside scorer and a shooting guard who can defend and shoot 3s. This is in addition to some depth. Tough to do with no draft pick and a very old team with big contracts.

What can this team get? I believe that Mavs have as much flexibility as Knicks have had over the past two years. That means none. I dont really have a solid deal in mind, but want to see what the board thinks.

[Rand10]

There really aren't any good big men available at all. Maybe Diop would like to return to Dallas? Kwame could be a decent backup too.

We'll only have 8 guys under contract going into next year, so I think we should pick up a young big like Justin Williams. He might not be a 15-20 minute guy yet like Diop was, but we've got 2 roster spots to fill and I bet he could break out next season.

As for the 2, I think we need some athletic finishers to run with Kidd. Maggette would perfect if we could get him in some kind of sign and trade. LA wouldn't take Terry's contract this offseason, but maybe we could get a third team that's interested in him. Of course, Maggette could sign here for the MLE if he wanted to . Other options: Bonzi Wells? Artest? Knowing our management we'll just end up signing a Buckner or Jones clone though.

[JES12]

if they settle for mle, Artest or Maggette,

Diop right at MLE

Hopefully, someone gets waived this year worth the all or part of MLE (Elson, Diop) so we can have our MLE this year and the MLE next year.

[SaintofKillers]

The upcoming off-season would probably be the most interesting in years. Lots of players that would be able to help us and probably willing to play a) for the MLE, b) with Kidd, and c) a chance to win a title.

- Corey Maggette
- Ricky Davis
- Shawn Marion (yeah, right)
- DeSagana Diop
- Ron Artest
- Gilbert Arenas (who cites Dallas as one of the teams he wants to play for; decides thru coin tosses)
- Theo Ratliff
- Gordan Giricek

[dirkforpres]

If Dallas could sign Hibachi I would cry with happiness... Even though you know Washingtons gonna break the bank for him. I wouldnt mind a Diop return (more likely to happen)

[Teffer10]

This is going to sound a little crazy but I would like to see these things happen in the off season.

1. Sign Kidd to extension
2. Trade Howard for Marion (S&T)
3. Sign George for 1 year deal and then package with Juwan and Stack for VC.
4. Sign Diop with MLE

I really think that Kidd needs some athletes for him to be the most effective. A starting lineup of Kidd/VC/Marion/Dirk/Damp with a bench of Terry/Jones/Wright/Bass/Diop would be a very solid PO team. Marion is the perfect type of player to run with Kidd and plays a little bigger than Howard on D so he could guard some of the bigger players that Dirk would otherwise have to guard.

Okay...hammer away at me for this one.

[dirkforpres]

This is going to sound a little crazy but I would like to see these things happen in the off season.

1. Sign Kidd to extension
2. Trade Howard for Marion (S&T)
3. Sign George for 1 year deal and then package with Juwan and Stack for VC.
4. Sign Diop with MLE

I really think that Kidd needs some athletes for him to be the most effective. A starting lineup of Kidd/VC/Marion/Dirk/Damp with a bench of Terry/Jones/Wright/Bass/Diop would be a very solid PO team. Marion is the perfect type of player to run with Kidd and plays a little bigger than Howard on D so he could guard some of the bigger players that Dirk would otherwise have to guard.

Okay...hammer away at me for this one.

OK first things is first: Why would you trade for Carter?

Second: Neither Miami or Dallas would do that sign and trade.

Third: Unless George changes agents, hes done in Dallas... Mark isnt going to deal with a Bartelstein client anymore.

[JES12]

I don't know.

I think Howard with Kidd <<< Marion with Kidd
Howard w/o Kidd >> Marion w/o Kidd

If Kidd is our PG, I'd do that deal.

Any trade to get Carter where Stack is our best player leaving, I would do (our FO wouldn't). However, Juwan is a FA w/o Bird rights, so I don't see him being part of that deal. George S&T at 4.7 mil + Stack for Carter would be better for this team than Stack.

Diop for MLE I agree with if Artest and Maggette won't settle for less. (if they do, no need for Carter).

I agree with Teffer10 if Kidd is going to be our PG.


Edit: Marion is due for $17,810,000. If he opts out and willing to sign withing 25% of Howard, I would do that deal, but I would not pay him $15+ mil.

I'd also concider Terry + Howard for Marion & Davis if their salaries are withing Howard' & Terry's. If that happens, i'd forget about Carter.

[arkuo]

- Gilbert Arenas (who cites Dallas as one of the teams he wants to play for; decides thru coin tosses)

im gonna have tears of joy if dallas wins the coin toss! LOL

but seriously, a kidd-arenas backcourt? arenas is a star that could create for himself, kinda like kobe.. so having a passing PG like kidd play alongside him would kinda make kidd useless... kidd is the kind of point guard that should be surrounded by shooters and athletes, big names or not.... IMO, dallas should have traded for gerald green... will cost pretty cheap...

[arkuo]

I don't know.

I think Howard with Kidd <<< Marion with Kidd
Howard w/o Kidd >> Marion w/o Kidd

If Kidd is our PG, I'd do that deal.

Any trade to get Carter where Stack is our best player leaving, I would do (our FO wouldn't). However, Juwan is a FA w/o Bird rights, so I don't see him being part of that deal. George S&T at 4.7 mil + Stack for Carter would be better for this team than Stack.

Diop for MLE I agree with if Artest and Maggette won't settle for less. (if they do, no need for Carter).

I agree with Teffer10 if Kidd is going to be our PG.

imagine the look on phoenix' faces when they see marion in a dallas uniform by next season... priceless...

[Teffer10]

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OK first things is first: Why would you trade for Carter?

Second: Neither Miami or Dallas would do that sign and trade.

Third: Unless George changes agents, hes done in Dallas... Mark isnt going to deal with a Bartelstein client anymore.

Carter > Stack and much better fit with Kidd.

Why would neither Miami or Dallas do that trade? Howard is 2 years younger and a better all around player. Marion provides the athleticism and finisher at the rim that we now need. We don't need Howard becoming a soft outside shooter which seems to be happening.

Cuban would be an idiot to let emotion drive a decision to upgrade this team. But then again, you might be right about him not dealing with Bartlestein.

Getting Diop back will address the problem that we are obviously going to face in our first round exit this season.

[Teffer10]

I don't know.

I think Howard with Kidd <<< Marion with Kidd
Howard w/o Kidd >> Marion w/o Kidd

If Kidd is our PG, I'd do that deal.

Any trade to get Carter where Stack is our best player leaving, I would do (our FO wouldn't). However, Juwan is a FA w/o Bird rights, so I don't see him being part of that deal. George S&T at 4.7 mil + Stack for Carter would be better for this team than Stack.

Diop for MLE I agree with if Artest and Maggette won't settle for less. (if they do, no need for Carter).

I agree with Teffer10 if Kidd is going to be our PG.


Edit: Marion is due for $17,810,000. If he opts out and willing to sign withing 25% of Howard, I would do that deal, but I would not pay him $15+ mil.

I'd also concider Terry + Howard for Marion & Davis if their salaries are withing Howard' & Terry's. If that happens, i'd forget about Carter.

I agree with Artest and Maggette. If we can get either of them to sign, that would be better than over paying VC. However, the only part that I don't like about that is losing the opportunity to sign Diop. I really think his departure is going to kill us more than the FO seems to think.

I think you know by now that I would do about anything to get Terry off this team. However, if we can land 2 athletic studs in trades and/or FA with size that can run the floor and play adequate D, then I'm okay with Terry being the backup PG/Sharp Shooting Specialist. Marion and Davis for either Terry and Howard, or Stack and Howard, would be fine with me which is probably more realistic than VC anyway.

[arkuo]

if i were cuban, i'd really push for JET + Howard + filler to charlotte for j-rich and gerald wallace... now that we have kidd, j-rich and wallace would be far more effective than they are now....

[JES12]

^^^
If we can trade Howard & Terry for Marion & Davis, then sign Diop with MLE, we would be almost set.

Dampier/Diop/???
NowitzkiBass/???
Marion/R.Terry/??? (George, Wright?)
Davis/Stackhouse/Jones
Kidd/Barea/??? (Vet min*)

*One of the following should settle for vet min.
Lue, A. Johnson, Duhon, A Carter, Francis, Cassell, J. Williams, Pargo, Hart, West, Stoudamire, Udrih, Boykins, Vaughn

Now that would be a lineup I would go to war with if Kidd was our PG.

[hph6203]

It's conceivable that Artest would end up having to take an MLE, with his background he's pretty untouchable in terms of over the MLE signings. Not to mention there are very few teams that will be significantly under the cap (over what the MLE is).

So if you sign Artest to an MLE, and play him at SG. Then you can trade Stack away for a back up big.

[arkuo]

So if you sign Artest to an MLE, and play him at SG. Then you can trade Stack away for a back up big.

if artest were to come here, i would be more comfortable with howard at the SG spot and artest at SF....

now if cuban would be crazy enough to pay kidd and even give him an extension, i wouldnt be surprised if he goes over the top and trades for artest...

like dirk said, "our window is now"....

[arkuo]

^^^
If we can trade Howard & Terry for Marion & Davis, then sign Diop with MLE, we would be almost set.

Dampier/Diop/???
NowitzkiBass/???
Marion/R.Terry/??? (George, Wright?)
Davis/Stackhouse/Jones
Kidd/Barea/??? (Vet min*)

*One of the following should settle for vet min.
Lue, A. Johnson, Duhon, A Carter, Francis, Cassell, J. Williams, Pargo, Hart, West, Stoudamire, Udrih, Boykins, Vaughn

Now that would be a lineup I would go to war with if Kidd was our PG.

marion and davis... hmmm.. intresting... i like the thought of marion in dallas... marion and kidd are just recently traded players with a lot to prove... i could imagine them being more than motivated to prove a lot of people wrong.. you can including ricky davis there too...

with that list of PG's i'd have to go with duhon.. mainly because he's quicker than kidd and bigger than barea... gives another dimension to our point guard rotation.. kidd may not be able to run with the quickest guards and barea wouldnt be able to guard bigger guards, so we'd need to find somebody who could be that guy..

[arkuo]

my ideal offseason will be something like this... somebody please clarify the technicalities regarding a marion-howard S&T...

dallas gives- josh, JET, stack, dampier, allen
dallas gets- marion, camby, kenyon martin

indiana gives- diogu, foster (expiring)
indiana gets- JET, allen

miami gives- marion (opt out then S&T?)
miami gets- josh

denver gives- camby, martin
denver gets- diogu, stack, dampier, foster (expiring)

*sign ricky davis using MLE...

mavs..
C- camby / k-mart
PF- dirk / bass
SF- marion / george
SG- davis / jones
PG- kidd / barea

[catalyst]

if i were cuban, i'd really push for JET + Howard + filler to charlotte for j-rich and gerald wallace... now that we have kidd, j-rich and wallace would be far more effective than they are now....

My idea was something like this with S&T Okafur in instead of Wallace. What about Wallace and S&T Okafur for that package?

[JES12]

my ideal offseason will be something like this... somebody please clarify the technicalities regarding a marion-howard S&T...

dallas gives- josh, JET, stack, dampier, allen
dallas gets- marion, camby, kenyon martin

indiana gives- diogu, foster (expiring)
indiana gets- JET, allen

miami gives- marion (opt out then S&T?)
miami gets- josh

denver gives- camby, martin
denver gets- diogu, stack, dampier, foster (expiring)

*sign ricky davis using MLE...

mavs..
C- camby / k-mart
PF- dirk / bass
SF- marion / george
SG- davis / jones
PG- kidd / barea

That would be a awesome lineup for a Kidd lead team, but I don't see Indy trading for Terry without dumping Tinsley. And, I think Denver is a little more high on Martin to where we would not be able to get Camby with a Martin dump (or at least with the pieces they get). And Allen would be a FA w/o bird rights, so his inclusion is unlikely.