A different discussion

mhectorgato · Post #21 » by **mhectorgato** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:16 am

Brad Miller ;-)

Seriously ... Chris Paul

orl1724 · Post #22 » by **orl1724** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:16 am

I vote for....... Rasho Nesterovic lol JK

seriously I vote for Deron Williams who IMO is better than CP3 not by much tho, also he shoots 3 =).
A better topic would be what player if added to the Magic would make us HORRIBLE!
I vote for Eddy Curry because him next to DH would SUCK!

N4U|Redux · Post #23 » by **N4U|Redux** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:19 am

orl1724 wrote:I vote for....... Rasho Nesterovic lol JK

seriously I vote for Deron Williams who IMO is better than CP3 not by much tho, also he shoots 3 =).
A better topic would be what player if added to the Magic would make us HORRIBLE!
I vote for Eddy Curry because him next to DH would SUCK!

He's also taller.

On a side note, Deron and Paul is going to be a great PG rivalry for this generation.

EasternMagic · Post #24 » by **EasternMagic** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:22 am

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i guess the evidence is there, but i still think its absurd saying that paul cant win a championship. do you think he wont?

N4U|Redux · Post #25 » by **N4U|Redux** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:26 am

EasternMagic wrote:i guess the evidence is there, but i still think its absurd saying that paul cant win a championship. do you think he wont?

I don't know, I think he's a phenomenal player, and I really like him both as a person (based on what I know) and his style of play.

However, I was a bit taken back by those teams that have won the championships. I don't remember every PG on those teams in the last 30 years, but I remember most and most of them were definitely taller than Paul.

Obviously, there's a chance he's an exception to the apparent rule though.

orl1724 · Post #26 » by **orl1724** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:32 am

before fisher who was the PG for the Lakers back in their threepeat? Also Jason Williams is about the same size as Paul isn't he?

N4U|Redux · Post #27 » by **N4U|Redux** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:35 am

orl1724 wrote:before fisher who was the PG for the Lakers back in their threepeat? Also Jason Williams is about the same size as Paul isn't he?

Ron Harper for at least part of it, if not all of it, and he was a tall PG.

J-will is pretty short, he's 6'1" while Paul is 6'0"

So, you've found at least one anomaly in the last 20 years, I thought J-will was more like 6'3".

EasternMagic · Post #28 » by **EasternMagic** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:37 am

didnt fisher get two with the lakers? or only one?

N4U|Redux · Post #29 » by **N4U|Redux** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:39 am

EasternMagic wrote:didnt fisher get two with the lakers? or only one?

Let's assume it was two for argument sake. That's 3 out of the last 20-30 years that have done it. None of which were critical to the team's success.

EasternMagic · Post #30 » by **EasternMagic** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:53 am

well even when you look at it utah really couldve won two if it werent for michael jordan, i think if you had a utah jazz team like back then they could win two against todays opponents (assuming they are upgraded with the need progressions of the new times) but michael jordan really put a damper on them which isnt a good excuse but he was the best player the leagues ever seen. but the fact still remains dominant short pg's dont win championships (at least in the past). i don't see that coming to power with 6 ft Paul though even though he is an inch shorter than stockton

OrlandoMagic · Post #31 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:55 am

the original post sounds like MC

TheRevTy · Post #32 » by **TheRevTy** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:28 am

I've said it before, and I will say it again: Avery Johnson.

Oh, and did I just get called MC? Maybe it sounded like him because the names "Lebron" and "Bosh" appeared. I am in no way insinuating we will ever have either on our team. Wouldn't it be amazing if a superstar did take a pay cut to play with Dwight? There is only one star I could imagine who is quirky enough to even consider it: Mr. Flip a Coin himself, Gilbert Arenas. And no, we won't get him either.

OrlandoMagic · Post #33 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:37 am

TheRevTy wrote:I've said it before, and I will say it again: Avery Johnson.

Oh, and did I just get called MC? Maybe it sounded like him because the names "Lebron" and "Bosh" appeared. I am in no way insinuating we will ever have either on our team. Wouldn't it be amazing if a superstar did take a pay cut to play with Dwight? There is only one star I could imagine who is quirky enough to even consider it: Mr. Flip a Coin himself, Gilber Arenas. And no, we won't get him either.

That is one thing I always ask myself.... If you know there is a huge guy like Dwight playing for a team. Wouldnt you want to play with him if your a star? To me its common sense. But then comes players egos and they have to all have the max they can sign... Think if Nash, Kobe and Bosh all took a pay cut and signed with us for say just 3yrs 15 million each. Still alot of money would liekly gurantee a championship which "supposedly: is all the players care about. What the hell do you people do with it all?

N4U|Redux · Post #34 » by **N4U|Redux** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:54 am

TheRevTy wrote:I've said it before, and I will say it again: Avery Johnson.

Another part of the team that was hardly necessary.

These are all exceptions to the rule until we get anywhere close to even 25% of the guards being "little." We're not even close, we're at something like 10%. This doesn't give Paul (or Jameer) much to look forward to.

On Stockton -- yes, he was important to his team, but he didn't win the ring, I don't really care why, but for some reason throughout the last 30 or so years there have only been a handful of guys under 6'1" to start at PG and have their team win a championship. Even fewer have been a crucial part of their team like Paul is. The only guy I can think of even close is Isiah.

TheRevTy · Post #35 » by **TheRevTy** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:24 pm

First of all, Avery Johnson WAS crucial for the championship Spurs. As I recall, he even hit the 'Ship winning shot. He was their leader (hence the nickname "Little General").

With that being said, do you think Jameer is a crucial part of the team? You've used the statement to say Jameer shouldn't be starting, but if the cases that it has worked are the ones where the PG isn't a key player, isn't that the scenario we've set up here in Orlando?

That being said, if they continue to surround him with talent like they have, Chris Paul definitely has a chance to win it all before he hangs it up. All depends on match-ups.

Post #36 » by **Devin 1L** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:39 pm

TheRevTy wrote:If contracts or money were no object, and you could add any current player in the NBA to our team, just one player, who would it be?

I can't believe that I'll be the first to say this:

Tim Duncan

I understand why people are saying Chris Paul, he'd definitely be in my top 5 answers to this question, but my first pick is Tim Duncan.

He's a proven winner and combined with Dwight upfront, we'd quite possibly have the best frontcourt ever.

theTHIEF · Post #37 » by **theTHIEF** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:42 pm

Manu or Artest...

mhectorgato · Post #38 » by **mhectorgato** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:44 pm

devin3807 wrote:Tim Duncan

How much mileage do you thin he has left? I don't think he's washed up at all, but the wear and tear could start catching up soon with him.

My only reason for picking CP or Deron would because of the youth factor.

But yeah, that would be an incredible tandem to have!

TheRevTy · Post #39 » by **TheRevTy** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:47 pm

I think Duncan might actually get in Dwight's way. While Duncan has that great mid-range shot, he spends a lot of time in and around the paint. Dwight often uses the whole lane to execute a move. I can't help but wonder if another low-post big man would hinder Dwight's freedom?

That being said, I still stand by my Bosh statement.

Post #40 » by **Devin 1L** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:06 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

How much mileage do you thin he has left? I don't think he's washed up at all, but the wear and tear could start catching up soon with him.

My only reason for picking CP or Deron would because of the youth factor.

But yeah, that would be an incredible tandem to have!

I think he's got plenty left.

Like I said, I understand why people would take Paul. The only thing that makes them close is age. If they were both young, there'd be a much bigger gap in my mind.

Basically, I'd feel more confident in racking up more Championships with Tim Duncan for X amount of years, than I would with Chris Paul for X+Y amount of years.

You add Duncan, I think we're the favorite to win it all for the next 5 years.

You add Paul, I think we're a top team for the next 10 years.

Also, it should be noted that I don't think Jameer is as bad as people on here suggest. Lastly, Duncan would shift Rashard to the three and Hedo to either the two or running the show off of the bench a la Manu.

TheRevTy wrote:I think Duncan might actually get in Dwight's way. While Duncan has that great mid-range shot, he spends a lot of time in and around the paint. Dwight often uses the whole lane to execute a move. I can't help but wonder if another low-post big man would hinder Dwight's freedom?

That being said, I still stand by my Bosh statement.

No, I don't think they'd get in each other's way much. I think Tim Duncan is pretty flexible, and would complement Dwight.

Also, Bosh would be towards the top of my picks as well.

My top 10 picks would probably go something like:

Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Yao Ming
Chris Paul

Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Al Jefferson
Kevin Garnett
Deron Williams