Brent Barry

[Subaculta]

Brent Barry has been bought out by the Sonics... any interest from the Warriors?

who would they waive to make room?

I'd think an actual sharpshooter on this team would be a good thing down the stretch.

[Sleepy51]

I'd waive CJ, but Nellie won't.

[GSWhoopfan]

can we send Watson back down to the dleague?? (I know he's signed for the rest of the year). If not, send Bells down to Fort Worth. His outside touch is a valuable asset. I predict he goes back to the Spurs or a west contender...Phoenix perhaps???

[Carl_Monday]

can we send Watson back down to the dleague?? (I know he's signed for the rest of the year). If not, send Bells down to Fort Worth. His outside touch is a valuable asset. I predict he goes back to the Spurs or a west contender...Phoenix perhaps???

Doesn't work like that; those players you send down still count towards your 15 player limit. Waiving Watson and playing Beli in those minutes would be the right choice, but like Sleepy said, Nellie won't do it.


According to Larry Coon, only teams that have a disabled player exception large enough, a TPE large enough, or are far enough under the salary cap can claim Barry. And if more than one team wants him, the team with the worst record gets him. I think this would be an amazing move by the Dubs if they picked him up. Now all Mullin has to do is slip a sedative in Nellie's scotch and get to work.


EDIT: And as long as the player is waived before March 1st, he can play in the playoffs. Here's the link:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#54

[gs7101]

I was reading about Barry being waived this morning in my local San Antonio newspaper. The Rockets, Suns, and Warriors are rumored to have an interest to sign him. After the required 48-hour waiting period, he will be eligible to sign with any team. The Spurs could also re-sign him after 30 days if he's still available. I know he loves the city of San Antonio, but the Spurs were trying to trade him for the past 2 years. Barry wasn't too happy when he heard he'd been traded.

I would bet Houston would be at the top of his list. Houston is only a short distance away from San Antonio--he could decide against moving his family.

[turk3d]

Sending Belli down won't help us. He still has to remain on our 15 man roster. We'd have to waive him to get the roster slot we'd need in order to sign Barry. I agree that waiving CJ is probably the only viable option.

[Carl_Monday]

I was reading about Barry being waived this morning in my local San Antonio newspaper. The Rockets, Suns, and Warriors are rumored to have an interest to sign him. After the required 48-hour waiting period, he will be eligible to sign with any team. The Spurs could also re-sign him after 30 days if he's still available. I know he loves the city of San Antonio, but the Spurs were trying to trade him for the past 2 years. Barry wasn't too happy when he heard he'd been traded.

I would bet Houston would be at the top of his list. Houston is only a short distance away from San Antonio--he could decide against moving his family.

The thing is, we can beat them all to him if the FO is willing to spend a little (say $2 mil more than trying to wait and sign him for the pro-rated minimum). Even if those guys have TPEs or DPEs we can just claim him off of waivers, and because we've got the worst record, we'd get him. He's an expring contract, he's got local ties, and he's a shooter. I'd say this is a no-brainer, but so was exercising POB's option and we all no how that turned out.

[darobster17]

Why don't we waive Patrick O'bryant since he's a goner anyways in the offseason? to pickup Brent Barry. Brent is the type of player we need. He can make some plays with or without the ball, drive to the hoop and hit the 3pt shoot.

Since beans is going to be out for whatever period, I like what I saw from Kosta Perovic from the limited time he did play.

Nellie will probably go with a Cwebb,Croshere,Harrington,Ellis and BD lineup until SJAX is ready to go.

[yehyeh82]

There's no way Nellie goes with that giant stiff lineup. MP2 and/or Barnes will be starting until Jax is back.

On Barry, I wouldn't mind dumping Azubuike and picking him up. They play the same position, Barry's a better outside shooter and Buike's has sucked for about two months now. His D is terrible and, as Tubby Smith so eloquently put it, he looks like Tarzan and he plays like Jane. At least Watson can play 3rd string pg, while Azubuike would be relegated to 4th string swingman. He can block a shot every now and then, but god I cringe every time he comes in. At least Pietrus has some size.

[Sleepy51]

There's no way Nellie goes with that giant stiff lineup. MP2 and/or Barnes will be starting until Jax is back.

On Barry, I wouldn't mind dumping Azubuike and picking him up. They play the same position, Barry's a better outside shooter and Buike's has sucked for about two months now. His D is terrible and, as Tubby Smith so eloquently put it, he looks like Tarzan and he plays like Jane. At least Watson can play 3rd string pg, while Azubuike would be relegated to 4th string swingman. He can block a shot every now and then, but god I cringe every time he comes in. At least Pietrus has some size.

I don't know about that. Barry vs. Bukie isn't the same role at all despite being the same position. Yes, Barry is a better spot up shooter than Bukie making Bukie not very useful in that role, but the one positive that Bukie has consistently brought until his recent slump/benching was outstanding rebounding and extra posession effort. Barry doesn't do that kind of stuff at all. Defense? Bukie is no worse than Barry has been over the years. The reason to consider keeping Bukie is that backcourt rebounding will always have value for this team.

Whereas CJ? We have two real PGs in Baron and Monta, and enough "auxillary" ballhandlers/passers between Jack Webb, and possibly even Barry that having CJ availble as a PG option becomes not very important. It would also open that taxi squad PG role back up for Belli (where I would prefer him, and despite his lack of confidence in his handle - you're better than you think kid.)

If we're looking to open up a spot for a sharpshooter, it would either be the end of Obee (which is somewhat doubtful while Dre is out) or it would need to be casting off the least useful/potential of our guards. to me, that is pretty clearly CJ. Bukie may be struggling with defense, but he has more potential to be an NBA roleplayer than an undersized psuedo PG with no vision. Bukie will be a cheap improving roleplayer who rebounds and finishes well down the road as he learns the game.

[Sleepy51]

Plus,
I would love to have Bellie working out with Barry to refine his shot. Give him a pure-er shooter to emulate, rather than our chuckers.

[gs7101]

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The thing is, we can beat them all to him if the FO is willing to spend a little (say $2 mil more than trying to wait and sign him for the pro-rated minimum). Even if those guys have TPEs or DPEs we can just claim him off of waivers, and because we've got the worst record, we'd get him. He's an expring contract, he's got local ties, and he's a shooter. I'd say this is a no-brainer, but so was exercising POB's option and we all no how that turned out.

The Spurs still have their mid-level exception to use, so they can offer more money. Another thing to consider, Barry is currently rehabbing a recurring calf injury and won't be ready to play for another 3 weeks. Barry remaining in the state of Texas looks pretty good for him.

[Carl_Monday]

The Spurs still have their mid-level exception to use, so they can offer more money. Another thing to consider, Barry is currently rehabbing a recurring calf injury and won't be ready to play for another 3 weeks. Barry remaining in the state of Texas looks pretty good for him.

You can't use the MLE though to claim a waived player, only a TPE, a DPE, or straight up cap room. The Warriors are in an interesting position in that they can take him if they want them and it wouldn't cost them any assets (unless they've got delusions of grandeiur of using the TPE during the draft). If the Warriors don't claim him though (or anyone else for that matter), then you're probably right that he goes back to Texas, and more than likely San Antonio. Would be interesting how the leauge handles that after the Stackhouse debacle.

[Carl_Monday]

So apparently the Rockets are already on the phone with Barry and are prepared to offer him the highest contract that they can once he clears waivers. If for no other reason to pick up Barry, this should be good enough for the Warriors because I think he would really address one of Houston's weaknesses if he goes there, and make them a better team.

[yehyeh82]

haha, my bad, that was supposed to be a search for a work related item...

[gs7101]

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You can't use the MLE though to claim a waived player, only a TPE, a DPE, or straight up cap room. The Warriors are in an interesting position in that they can take him if they want them and it wouldn't cost them any assets (unless they've got delusions of grandeiur of using the TPE during the draft). If the Warriors don't claim him though (or anyone else for that matter), then you're probably right that he goes back to Texas, and more than likely San Antonio. Would be interesting how the league handles that after the Stackhouse debacle.

Thanks for the clarification. At least Barry is smart enough not to be blabbing about a possible return to the Spurs. The league is probably well aware that the Spurs needed to get Kurt Thomas more than keeping Barry. Well, at least, that's Popovich's story.

Barry is very active in the local community. He has a good sense of humor and has been featured in several local television commericals.

[yehyeh82]

BTW, Houston <<<< San Antonio as a city. I don't even feel the two places are compareable. I hope Barry signs with us or holds out for SA.

[rutheredfox]

it'd be funny if barry played for us. i wonder if rick barry's gonna wanna coach the warriors again hahaha.

[nbenmargi]

I strongly support dropping POB and picking up Barry. Azubuike has way to much value in this league to just drop. CJ has been pretty effecient and seems to be pretty good as a 3rd string PG. After we declined the option on POB's contract, it is pretty much a given that he's gone this off season. I don't think we lose anything by letting him go now.

Barry would instantly become the best 3pt shooter on the team and the warriors style is an ideal fit for a sharpshooter like him.

With Biedrins out for 1-4 weeks, we need someone to come in and give us a boost. Unfortunately I think its going to take more than 50 wins to make the playoffs this year.

[Carl_Monday]

BTW, Houston <<<< San Antonio as a city. I don't even feel the two places are compareable. I hope Barry signs with us or holds out for SA.

San Antonio's a really cool city; I was pleasantly surprised when I went. Not sure what I was really expecting, but I had a blast. From what I've heard of Houston, it's just a sprawling city with no rhyme or reason and no distinguishable downtown. Can't say it's on my list of places I need to go. I'd definitley like to go see Austin some time though; heard nothing but good things.

But yeah, I think I made my feelings on Barry pretty clear. If the Warriors don't get Barry and Houston does (worst-case scenario), that'll be a significant blow to the team's playoff chances. I keep checking the wiretap hoping to see: "Warriors Waive CJ Watson"


EDIT: nbenmargi, I've been a huge POB homer, but I've come to the point where if Beans hadn't got appendicitis, I'd agree with you in cutting POB. But the team needs all the bigs it can get right now, so I don't think cutting POB's a viable option. Kosta and Webber need Segways to get down the court, but POB is our one quick big. I praying for a blessing in disguise with the Beans situation.