OT: Seattle's Rebuilding Process

[Kablooie]

Bogut/Yi seem to be as promising as Durant/Green.

Time will tell how they both build around them.

Sadly, I agree with that. I really don't see Durant being anything too exciting, and he hasn't shown too much this year besides the fact that he loves to shoot the ball a crapload of times per game with less than impressive results. Well, and that he likes to turn the ball over, and is a pretty substandard passer/rebounder.

The picks are nice, but the only picks that are going to come early in the draft are going to be their own.

[stevescheffler06]

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Sadly, I agree with that. I really don't see Durant being anything too exciting, and he hasn't shown too much this year besides the fact that he loves to shoot the ball a crapload of times per game with less than impressive results. Well, and that he likes to turn the ball over, and is a pretty substandard passer/rebounder.

The picks are nice, but the only picks that are going to come early in the draft are going to be their own.

He's also the youngest player in the league. I'll wait a couple of years before I get too worried. I see his base as being Tracy McGrady.

[paulpressey25]

The Sonics are doing it right....they have a plan.

But they also have a Ginormous advantage that no other NBA team has.....they can completely suck the next two years with no negative ramifications from the Seattle fans because they've already alienated them and are moving.

Even with all those picks, it could take Seattle a long time to improve unless Durant really takes it up a notch next year (which is possible). They could suck for a long, long time.

I'm not saying the Bucks can't afford a rebuild like this, but they probably can't given the lack of enthusiasm and arena issues. I'm not sure the Bucks can dump everyone for more and more draft picks that won't occur until 2009 and 2010 and then 2011-2012 before those guys contribute.

Our window to do a "Seattle" has probably passed unless Kohl commits to owning the team another 5-10 years and puts keeping the team here in his estate plan. We can only hope that Bogut and Yi hit it big, along with this years lotto pick.

The franchise has to get lucky and find it's equivalent of "Brett Favre" here in the next season or two......or have Herb Kohler buy the team.

[shaolin34]

seattle got the #5 because boston was ready to compete if they got allen (although they didn't have kg yet), so they were willing to trade it. don't forget that seattle got the #5 and had to take on wally's additional 2 years. so what teams in the lottery have a shot at competing next year if they add redd, and have a contract or two that expire in two years?

miami? maybe, but their pick will likely be top 3 and redd isn't worth that even if we take back blount.

clippers? if they think brand will make a strong comeback, then trade redd for mobley + tim thomas and the lottery pick. brand-redd-kaman-thorton-livingston is not bad at all. might not be enough for us unless the pick is top-5.

portland? i don't think they want him. besides, it would have to be darius miles, outlaw or webster, and the 08 1st for us to consider.

i'm still not opposed to trading redd and gadz to the knicks for quentin richardson, jerome james, malik rose, and their 2008 1st. all these players suck, and i wouldn't even play them, but they expire before the 2010/11 season. Their first should be right around #5 as well.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

Durant isn't as good as advertised, but he will be fine. Those who said he'll revolutionize the sport by combining MJ and Garnett look foolish, but he'll still be an all-star.

[showtimesam]

On a similar note, as I've seen a couple on this thread mention the parallels between the two teams, I want to issue this warning.

The Bucks are only a sale (to outside investors) away from being the Sonics. For that reason, be aware that when you ask for Herb to sell the team (as we Sonics fans said about Howard Schultz), the new owners might not want the same things as you. We never thought a homegrown guy like Schultz would backdoor us like that.

Trust me, you don't want to see this team sold at their rock bottom. You could end up like me, screaming to anyone who'll listen to help save your team, and all you'll get is "Who cares? The team sucks anyway!"

Very true, I am definitely concerned that something like that will happen to the bucks.

[stevescheffler06]

.....they can completely suck the next two years with no negative ramifications from the Seattle fans because they've already alienated them and are moving.

Hey, it's not over yet .

We've got a court date in June 16. If the city can force the team to stay two more years, they might be able to force a sale or get an arena deal in place.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

I think it's insane that the NBA isn't blocking a move. Seattle is one of the biggest markets in the US. Moving a team from a huge market to a small market because the city doesn't build a new arena every 10 years is going way too far.

They should have kept the Hornets in Oklahoma in the first place. Why move them back to NO where they are doomed anyway, just to move another team there?

[El Duderino]

Their GM turned picking up Kurt Thomas for half a season into three first round picks.

[Ayt]

Durant isn't as good as advertised, but he will be fine. Those who said he'll revolutionize the sport by combining MJ and Garnett look foolish, but he'll still be an all-star.

I'll start by saying I definitely didn't think he'd revolutionize the sport.

He is in a unique position in terms of being the man at such a young age. The only two guys that come to mind that had the same burden are Lebron and Carmelo. Melo had a ton of help with Camby, Andre Miller, Nene, etc. and Lebron had Z, Boozer, and some decent role players.

A player as young as Durant has never been put in the position he's in right now. Earl Watson has played the second most minutes on that team followed by Nick Collison.

It will be interesting to see what kinds of leaps his game takes in the next three years.

[paulpressey25]

Durant isn't as good as advertised, but he will be fine. Those who said he'll revolutionize the sport by combining MJ and Garnett look foolish, but he'll still be an all-star.

I think he's still got a chance to do that.....I wouldn't write him off this early.....the guy is only a sophmore in age.....with a ton of physical development to come.....

[MajorDad]

stevesheffler - are you any relation to the Sheffler who attended Purdue? You don't see that name every day. Does the name shuffles mean anything to you?

[GrandAdmiralDan]

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Yeah this year has gone to waste. If Kohl had made the move on a GM (or extended Harris) over the offseason, they could have started correcting their mistakes now.

That still wouldn't have made a difference though, since the way we operate is that Kohl and his cronies collectively act as the GM, with the GM being more akin to most teams' Director of Player Personnel

The only change that would have mattered is if Kohl had decided to change how things are done. He could have done that while keeping Harris and it would have effectively been us getting a new GM (replacing a restrained Harris with an unrestrained Harris). That could happen with a GM that replaces Harris if Kohl doesn't place the same constraints on the replacement GM as were on Harris. But if someone replaces Harris only to also be replacing Harris' role in this organization, then we don't actually have a new GM, we have the same GM.


So until that changes, I think we can forget about having any kind of strategic vision here.

[MajorDad]

Has harris always been restrained? or did kohl restrain him after the magliore and bowens deal went bad?

I'd like to know how many deals were actually harris' ideas verses what Kohl directed him to do.