Powe or Big Baby, if you could only have 1

[Spin Move]

Hypothetically speaking......If you had to pick one, which one would you pick to keep on the celtics? Who is the better player? Who fits the team's needs bettter, who is better now? who has the higher ceiling, who would you rather date your sister...ok maybe the last one went too far, but if you could keep only one which one would you keep?

[Scalamental]

We're obviously blessed to have them BOTH. But, if you pick Powe over Baby, you know nothin about the basketball.

[J~Rush]

I picked the best post player out of LSU since Kazaam.

[GregB]

As much as I love Powe. I go with Big Baby. His touch around the basket is fantastic. He is the best low post big on the team.

[SuperDeluxe]

The thing with Big Baby is that he always seem to be out of breath. He's much more fun to watch, though.

[Pogue Mahone]

If you had to pick one, which one would you pick to keep on the celtics?

Hands down, Leon Powe.

Who is the better player?

Leon Powe is right now.

Who fits the team's needs bettter ...

Leon Powe can actually grab a defensive rebound, can alter shots and mixes it up underneath. Powe is also a slightly better offensive rebounder.

Davis rebounds on the defensive glass at Scalabrine levels. Which is fine but when you are the closest defender to the hoop, not so good. At least Scalabrine has the excuse of covering more mobile players on the perimeter.

who is better now?

Leon Powe. Powe rebounds better, scores better and provides more of a presence. Davis has done well, too, but in selected match-ups and he tends to disappear because he is easily fatigued, imo.

who has the higher ceiling ...

Leon Powe. Davis has more raw skill but lacks the focus, stamina and athleticism of Powe.

who would you rather date your sister...

Well, if I had a sister, it would be Leon Powe. If they had children, my nieces and nephews wouldn't look like a crazy combination of Bonk and King Hippo.



Besides, many, many ladies are digging on Leon Powe.

if you could keep only one which one would you keep?

Easy, Leon Powe.

[mr_sunshine]

who would you rather date your sister...?

I'd rather have Powe. I watched him a lot at Cal, and he's a beast.

In regards to the question I quoted this is off-topic but, apparently BBD is dating a girl on the Tufts' women's basketball team. My best friend attends school there and recently told me he's seen BBD at some of the games for women's BB, and driving around campus in a black Lincoln Navigator a bunch. Just a fun fact about him that I'd thought I'd share with everyone.

[Jammer]

Powe.

Call up the Clippers, pre-arrange one of the following deals for July 1, assuming they don't make a $5.8 million qualifying offer to Shaun Livingston, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent (renounce his rights), thus getting the Clips under the cap (they can still re-sign him, but there won't be a cap hold).

Either:

Trade Scal + Pruitt to the Clips for the Clips 2008 2nd Round Pick or

Trade Scal + Pruitt + Davis to the Clips for the Minnesota Top Ten Protected First
(unprotected in 2012).

[cisco]

Baby. Davis just has more skills and more upside than Powe... passing, footwork and touch around the basket. Davis also has a high BBIQ for a rookie. IMO Baby will be the better player.

[DelMonte West]

I'd rather have Leon. There's no doubt Davis has a great touch around the hoop and uses the backboard better than anyone on the team, but Leon's leaping ability combined with his strength and determination are superior overall, especially in fast break situations. In addition to that, Davis seems to get caught up in the action every now and then and take lower % jump shots. Powe just strikes me as having a better BBIQ. In addition, he's obviously a gym rat so you don't have to worry about his conditioning or how seriously he takes his responsibilities. (his past obviously has a lot to do with that) You'll never have to worry about him complaining (earlier in the season he absolutely deserved more PT) or slacking off; Davis concerns me more in those areas, especially the latter.

Really don't understand how any of that reflects on my apparent lack of knowledge of the game, but that's message board etiquette for you.

[sully00]

This is a tough one. Presently I went with Big Baby, mostly because we need a center and Powe can't play center. That said if Posey leaves next season then I would probably say Powe because we will need more of a defender at the forward postion and we could hopefully find a better way to address the center position.

More and more though I am getting Don Nelson about it and thinking that nobody has two good offensive 7' so why not just run all 3 of them out there and see what happens.

They are both very good players if unique you just have to decide what your teams needs are. One thing that is rarely mentioned is what a great one on one post defender he is especially for a guy 6'8" and a rookie (and well...a little pudgy).

[celticfan42487]

Baby, there's a chance he'll develop into something more as a back-up.

He has the potential with his shot and passing to be a better complimentary player offensively then both are right now, and if his body allows him to slim down he'll be a great asset at back-up PF.

Powe had a mid range shot in college but he doesn't in the pros and that's all I care about.

[Pogue Mahone]

No offense but I really don't see how you can say that Davis has a mid-range game and Powe doesn't. I mean, it's wish-casting, imo.

Davis has taken 20 shots outside of 8 ft this season; He has made 4 of them.



Powe has taken 12 shots outside of 8 ft this season; He has hit 6 of them.

[sully00]

No offense, while stats are fun have you ever watched Big Baby play a game of basketball prior to this season? He played 3 seasons at LSU and made plenty of jumpers, probably a few too many which is what created the question about his ability to play down low at the NBA level.

[floyd]

95% CIs for fg% when making 4 out of 20 shots and 6 out of 12 are:

(6% - 44%) and (21% - 79%) respectively.

So, basicly, they haven't taken that many shots from beyond 8 ft.

[Zin5]

Both are great to have, especially off the bench. While they're each undersized, they can both complement KG at least with their ability to band inside as a center. Powe's a great role player off the bench and should be for years to come, but I don't see him being much of a starter at any point in his career except for a rebuilding team maybe. However, I can see Baby becoming a solid starter at PF within just a few years. He's not as athletic as Powe, but he's shown to be capable of playing inside in the league and has at least shown that he has range in college. After the game in San Antonio, I'd say they're about even defensively.

I'd take Powe by a slight edge now, but Baby by a large margin for the future.

[Pogue Mahone]

Clearly it is small sample size but since it is the only time each have played against similar competition, it is the only thing to go off of.

My issue with the statement I was replying to was that it made it seem like Davis was some stud shooting the ball, especially as compared to Powe. Which is obviously not true. In fact, in small sample size, it has been exactly the opposite.

Furthermore, I am very familiar with Davis' college game. In fact, knowing his history and his propensity to settle for crap jumpers and dilly-dallying with the ball is one of the reasons I am not very impressed by his performance this season. Couple that with his disappearing act, whether it be from the game speeding back up on him, his head getting too big or just fatigue, in general. Well, I would rather take the consistent, ever-present Powe than the mercurial play of Davis.

Could Davis become better than Powe? Sure. Will he? I doubt it. I seriously think most people are selling Powe short.

[sully00]

I don't think people are selling Powe short they realize he is short. I see a PF on a team with the premier PF in the game. The idea I am selling short is playing this guy at center.

Both players have different skill sets and can help this team in different situations. They actually play pretty well together in a reserve role for undersized guys, not something I would have expected.

Both are young guys finding their way, I don't think either player has the market locked on consistency at this point. Where was Leon in that game in Oakland in front of the home crowd the other night? Certainly not "ever-present." It was a nice 8 game run he has had but that is what it is.

[billfromBoston]

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Easy, Leon Powe.

.....while my heart agrees with everything Pogue said...my head tells me that its still far too early in both these player's career's to determine who will be the better player and both would be good rotation players for this team going forward...

Powe is the better player now and I have ZERO questions about his focus and dedication to improvement...he's the superior physical specimen athletically, but that's not enough to just give him the nod...IF Davis could get down to 265 and show work ethic and dedication on the level of Powe I think he'll be a better all-around player...

My hope would be one based off of financials....I think Glen Davis could develop into a starting caliber 4 as a third option scorer. Its all potential based, but his overall floor game on the offensive end has a higher end i believe...I think Powe is starting caliber at the 4 only if the team has 3 offensive options ahead of him...while he will be able to his set shots from 15-17 feet in time, he's never going to be a pull-up off the dribble guy in all likelihood and its extremely unlikely that he'll develop his post game to a point where he can be the threat on the block...Glen Davis isn't going to play on the post either, but his dribbling, passing, and off-balance finishing ability lead me to believe that, with dedication, he'd be a good scorer in the NBA as a starting 4...

However, Davis doesn't have a good work ethic and all the potential in the world won't help him if he doesn't work to become his best...as much as KG tells him this, its still up to him to grasp it...I think his chances have improved by coming to a team like Boston, but he'll still be "swimming upstream" when it comes to that type of hard work...Leon Powe is as hard a worker as their is in the league and that in itself puts my hand in favor of Powe...work ethic is inborn...you can improve what you do to prepare, but the level of dedication to pursuing it is internal, not acquired...

Ideally, I'd like to keep both and let them play next season to see how hard Davis worked to develop himself....if Davis is on-course to become a starting caliber player-big leap still in year 2-then i'd sign both players with the intention of Powe backing up Perk/Davis in our frontcourt of the future, post KG...

Powe will cost 2-3 million a year over 5 years if the team re-signs him this off-season, giving us 6 years of a cheap front court player who is productive...Davis is an unknown in terms of many things, including his salary demands after next year, but I could see both being valuable after KG is done playing, and that really isn't so far away as to pick between two productive players that may both have a future on this team short and long term...

[billfromBoston]

I don't think people are selling Powe short they realize he is short. I see a PF on a team with the premier PF in the game. The idea I am selling short is playing this guy at center.

Both players have different skill sets and can help this team in different situations. They actually play pretty well together in a reserve role for undersized guys, not something I would have expected.

Both are young guys finding their way, I don't think either player has the market locked on consistency at this point. Where was Leon in that game in Oakland in front of the home crowd the other night? Certainly not "ever-present." It was a nice 8 game run he has had but that is what it is.

...and "what it is" was the only consecutive games he's been asked to play a significant role, which he did consistently during that time...I would have loved for Powe to play and produce more in the GS game, but there was very little pick-and-roll going on with him and he was glued to Biedrins just about the whole time he was in, with a few minutes on Webber...he was never matched up with Harrington directly, if that's where you're going with that remark

look, we can argue this until the cows come home, but the bottom line is that Powe had a stretch of production superior to any stretch Davis has had this season, so belittling that point is a little hard to swallow...Davis has had far more opportunity to play before KG went down and it was Powe who ultimately got the call from the coach...

..unless you prescribe to the "Doc doesn't know anything" theory, then this tells me something about what he thinks of the Powe/Davis debate at this point...Powe's production during that time seems to have backed up his belief, though perhaps Davis would have done the same thing...