Retire Big Dog's number?

[DocGonzo]

This morning Sparky was taking calls on whether or not the Bucks should retire Big Dog's number.

Glen ranks in the top 3 for many best-of-franchise offensive stat categories, and top ten in many others.

I always loved the Dog and thought he didn't get enough credit for his contribution to our success earlier this decade. I'd love to see his number hanging from the rafters.

Yeah, he wasn't great on defense, but he did get a lot of steals. And this guy was DEADLY as an offensive player. How many ankles did he break with the yank?

What do you think?

[carmelbrownqueen]

Definitely not.. there are way more deserving former Bucks that need their jerseys retired before we would ever consider Big Dog..

[yuedar]

I liked him as a player and he was a good mid shot shooter. However I don't really feel like he did much for the franchise worth retiring his number. We won no titles with him. We only came close one time and that was because of allen and cassell more than him (lesser of the big 3 I guess is what im saying) so I don't see a point to it.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

Might as well retire Bobby Simmons' number.

[LUKE23]

Not until Santiago's is.

[DPGBucks]

No way..
He was a nice player, but not deserving of a retired number.

[MickeyDavis]

Dandridge and Marques first. Both were better than Dog.

[DocGonzo]

Might as well retire Bobby Simmons' number.

Come on - give the man some credit. Statistically Dog was one of the best Bucks ever. And he was an important member of the best Bucks team we've had since the late 80's.

For some reason Ray got all the love from the fans, and Dog got dogged. Ray may have had a few more points, but Dog was just as important to that team as Ray ever was.

Comparing him to Simmons is seriously ridiculous.

[MickeyDavis]

You cannot go just by stats. There is a lot more to a players game than numbers. Dog put up some numbers and was a good midrange shooter. But he needs to stand in line behind some better players before they even think about retiring #13.

[DocGonzo]

You cannot go just by stats. There is a lot more to a players game than numbers. Dog put up some numbers and was a good midrange shooter. But he needs to stand in line behind some better players before they even think about retiring #13.

I don't disagree about that at all, though most of those players are before my time and I don't have much reference to speak on them.

However, Dog has always been under appreciated in my opinion. It's fine if people feel he doesn't deserve to have his number retired, but let's not use revisionist history and pretend he was Simmons-esque.

[Johnny Newman]

Theres others that deserve in first. But when looking back at the teammates Dog had when drafted. Then people say Ray was way better. Well we had Dog and Baker then for Ray. Heres dogs first roster when drafted.
Rk Player Salary
1 Glenn Robinson $2,900,000
2 Orlando Woolridge $2,367,000
3 Todd Day $2,120,000
4 Ed Pinckney $1,485,000
5 Roy Hinson $1,137,500
6 Vin Baker $1,065,300
7 Mike Gminski $1,000,000
8 Eric Murdock $1,000,000
9 Lee Mayberry $820,000
10 Jon Barry $800,000
11 Eric Mobley $620,000
12 Johnny Newman $300,000
13 Marty Conlon $182,500
14 Alton Lister $150,000
15 Aaron Williams $150,000
16 Danny Young $150,000
17 Todd Mundt $9,660
18 Tate George $5,260

Then when Ray got here he had a few compliment players in Baker,Dog,Hammer.
Rk Player Salary
1 Glenn Robinson $4,640,000
2 Vin Baker $3,765,000
3 Sherman Douglas $3,594,000
4 Andrew Lang $2,332,000
5 Armon Gilliam $2,317,000
6 Elliot Perry $2,000,000
7 Ray Allen $1,785,000
8 Shawn Respert $1,417,000
9 Acie Earl $1,235,000
10 Johnny Newman $1,225,000
11 Chucky Brown $500,000
12 Joe Wolf $400,000
13 Keith Tower *$247,500
14 Darrin Hancock $247,500
15 Cuonzo Martin *$247,500
16 David Wood $247,500
17 Jimmy Carruth *$220,000

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

I think retired numbers should be more rare than they often are. Players who brought the team a championship, or a decade of 50 win type seasons.

[dedned]

You guys are punks. Big Dog's number should be retired.

[MickeyDavis]

You guys are punks. Big Dog's number should be retired.

Back up your opinion.

[trwi7]

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Back up your opinion.

His avatar has spoken. He couldn't be biased.

[braindazer]

They should retire m.j's first

[dedned]

Who has scored more points than Big Dog? You guys are the reason nobody wants to come play here. Every time a player returns from being traded he gets booed. No one can ever do enough for most of you.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Who has scored more points than Big Dog? You guys are the reason nobody wants to come play here. Every time a player returns from being traded he gets booed. No one can ever do enough for most of you.

I was a huge Big Dog fan when he was in college and was ecstatic when the Bucks won the lottery and had the chance to draft him. He was my favorite player of the Big Three. I've only ever owned one Bucks jersey in my life, and it is a Glenn Robinson jersey. Big Dog did contribute quite a bit here and racked up some nice stats, BUT he didn't quite do enough to warrant his jersey being retired. If he had been here a couple more years without his career falling off such a cliff like it did, then I believe it would have been warranted.

Big Dog has a few black marks against him though. He put the city through absolute hell with his completely unprecedented rookie contract demands (they were so absurd they led to the rookie scale system in the 1995 CBA) and holdout. And then he had that off-the court trouble that helped convince us it was time to part ways with him.

It is no slight against Big Dog to say it is not warranted to retire his number. He came closer to deserving it than Sam or Ray, no question, and came closer to deserving it than most former Bucks, but he just didn't cross that threshold.

And like others have mentioned, there are at least two Bucks who deserve the honor more that don't yet have it.

[braindazer]

I may be wrong GAD,but wasn't M .J. the first player to avg.over a million a year on his contract when we signed him?

[GrandAdmiralDan]

I may be wrong GAD,but wasn't M .J. the first player to avg.over a million a year on his contract when we signed him?

I'm not sure. I don't have the salaries that far back. I have everything back through 85-86 with the exception of 89-90 and 86-87

I'm also not used to seeing Marques Johnson referred to as M.J. but I'm assuming that is who you are referring to