Sixers @ Magic 2/22/08

[tk76]

Andre Miller- the only player on the team unafraid of the lane- and what lurks there. Hard to watch a team playing scared, but Howard is a beast.

[bebopdeluxe]

While I have liked Iggy's game lately, that horrid 3 he took on Hedu - as opposed to simply taking the bigger guy off the dribble and going to the rack - is a classic example of my concern about Iguodala ever playing material minutes at the 2...and why we should all pray that Thad grows another inch or two.

[Sixerscan]

Thad's having one of his worst games in a while. Keep forgetting he's only 19.

[PrimeTime21]

Didn't really expect them to win this one, hopefully they can put it behind them and come out ready to play tomorrow night. A loss to the Heat would be brutal at this point.

[corwin]

Where was Evans tonight? This team need his toughness! I would have liked to have seen one of the younger guys come in, even if it was Amundsen.

[tk76]

While I have liked Iggy's game lately, that horrid 3 he took on Hedu - as opposed to simply taking the bigger guy off the dribble and going to the rack...

I agree 100%.

Have you ever tried to steal a one on one game against a superior player by shooting straight away threes off of the check ball- it was like that.

That was our one shot at getting back and possibly stealing the game- we were down 6 with the ball with 7 min left and that horrid shot selection sealed the deal.

Either Willie Green briefly inhabited Iguodala's mind- or he lacked the confidence in his game to make something happen. Settling for that shot was basically conceding he could not get past Hedo and make something happen- and just trying to hit a lucky contested shot.

I guess in his mind, if he draws double on the drive there is nobody to feed it to for a jumper(can't shoot) or inside(scared of Howard) so might as well just concede defeat and jack it up.

[ryst]

I goudala drove to the basket 3 times all game long
and its not like Hedo is a good defender
57m my ass

[Mik317]

I goudala drove to the basket 3 times all game long
and its not like Hedo is a good defender
57m my ass

overact much> he drove to the basket more than that..

I'm going to take this time to ask a question. What kinda stats did you expect Iggy to put up this year that would answer alot of questions for me.....seriously.

[SendEm]

Now many people on this forum are beginning to see the light when it comes to Iggy, echoing much of what I have been saying since I signed up here back in December 2007. I know my stuff people. What I might say about the Sixers or anything regarding basketball might just sound way out of bounds sometimes but that's only because YOU can't understand it just yet. What I say might just be a few months or years before your comprehension and acceptance.

Jason Smith is the next player that I am noticing some major shortcomings that are not correctable and were on full display tonight.
Jason Smith is a 7 footer until his point of release/attack. His very good leaping ability hides his extraordinarily short arms when he can get a running start to dunk with 2 hands or block someone's shot. BUT it has to be a running start so that he can maximize his leaping ability. Whenever Jason doesn't have a running start his height doesn't give him anymore of an advantage as a NBA PF/C than Minnesota's 6'8" Craig Smith. But Craig Smith has learned to play with his lack of height by developing floating shots in the lane. Jason Smith only has a 2 handed dunk and a slow developing jump shot that repeatedly gets blocked because he releases the ball on the way down AND he has extraordinarily short arms.

Jason Smith will need to work very hard on his game in the upcoming years to add elements to his game that are not traditional for a 7'00" player. He will have to approach the game like an undersized forward (Antwan Jamison) when it comes to finishing in the paint.

[Mik317]

SendEm, I don't know if you can read this ( I too probally would have ignore me). I respect your opinion. you're right on w/ your assesment of Jason Smith. HOWEVER, wit h Iggy I can see where your coming from, I just don't think it's completly right. Can you atleast admitv Iggy still has a chance to fix these "problems" and also can you aswer my earlier question " what kind of stats did you think Iggy would put up this year." Thanks.

[freshie2]

Your self acclaimed knowledge is overshadowed by the Roger Mason vs Iguodala posts. Every player on the Sixers have room for growth...Tim Duncan needs to work on his foul shots. Even Stephen Jackson has some flaws. So your point well taken that Iguodala is not a perfect player. He still probably merits consideration of a Gerald Wallace type contract...which he most likely will get.

If you want to point out major weaknesses on this team, Iguodala isn't it. There is no post presence and limited 3 pt shooting, which make this team rely solely on the fast break to be effective. Add a player like Okafor, add Lopez in the draft, take Lofton in the second round and add another 3 pt shooter, and this team looks a ton better.

Smith has flaws too, but nobody expected him to be a dominant inside presence...he's a pick and pop type of PF, which is still can be a valuable piece. The Jamison comparison is a good one, but I'm sure you knew that already.

Speak softly and carry a big stick...life can be difficult when your stick can never back up your talk.

[ryst]

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overact much> he drove to the basket more than that..

I'm going to take this time to ask a question. What kinda stats did you expect Iggy to put up this year that would answer alot of questions for me.....seriously.

no he didnt , i am not talking about layups and dunks on the break.
in the set offense he drove to the basket only 3 times the entire game.

i dont care about stats that much i want Iggy to play to his strengths and to the defender weaknesses.
most of the game he was defended by Hedo who is taller(so he can defend the jump shot better)slow and dont like contact so much.
Iggy is faster and stronger then him , he should have drive to the basket a lot more, if they come to help find the open man , if not its easy 2 points.
yet Iggy keep on settle for jump shots , and what Iggy does in the most important play of the game? settle for a tought three point jumo shot instead of going to the basket
how come i wasnt surprised?

[Sixerscan]

Dwight Howard plays for the Magic. Driving on him usually doesn't work very well.

[The Guilty Party]

I missed the entire game (and will tomorrow night's as well) but from what I see in the box score... it looks like it was a good game to miss.

Oh well... at least we're closer toward ending this miserable, confusing season and that's what I am most excited about.

[Mik317]

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dude Iggy was the least of our problems in this game...............how about the fact that no one outside of Miller, That bum Iggy and Willay GREEN didn't show up in the second half? BUt no that too was Iggy's fault.

since no one wants to answer my question I'll put out want I think. I think that you guys expected Iggy to average around 23-25 pts a game and now becasue he isn't doing so your pissed and nitpick everyone of his flaws. Yes Iggy should drive more and bitch less. Yes his jumper han't become consistant and yES his defense has fallen off a bit ( but ask Kobe how hard it is to be asked to score anb stop the top guy without help).

you dudes were expecting Iggy to become a poor mans Lebron and because he's not your pissed and want him gone. Iggy has given ME just what I expected. It's not his fault that your expectations were stupid.

[MicrOLak3R]

O.K., plenty of things to gripe about in that game. But why oh why can't Louis get more burn when he plays well? Every time he's playing well Mo takes him out. What's up with that?

I thought maybe after the trade deadline he'd mix up the rotation a bit. But it's still the same. It's been 25+ games since Lou got Exactly 30 minute burn.

Here's his Points when he hits at least 28 minutes this season.

11/20 30min-25pts
11/23 31min-15pts
11/24 34min-18pts
12/5 28min-18pts
12/30 30min-7pts
1/2 29min-17pts
1/21 28min-14pts
2/1 28min-20pts


So basically he's had only 8 games with 28 plus minutes. Is there any logical reason he's not getting more PT?

11/9 20min-21pts
11/16 25min-19pts
12/31 21min-19pts
1/11 17min-15pts
2/9 25min-18pts
2/22 25min-18pts

Obviously there are plenty where he didn't have good games but my point is when he's playing well and shooting at a high clip. Why not keep him in the game?

You ride whatever player has the hot hand every time.

[PhillyRocks1]

O.K., plenty of things to gripe about in that game. But why oh why can't Louis get more burn when he plays well? Every time he's playing well Mo takes him out. What's up with that?

I thought maybe after the trade deadline he'd mix up the rotation a bit. But it's still the same. It's been 25+ games since Lou got Exactly 30 minute burn.

Here's his Points when he hits at least 28 minutes this season.

11/20 30min-25pts
11/23 31min-15pts
11/24 34min-18pts
12/5 28min-18pts
12/30 30min-7pts
1/2 29min-17pts
1/21 28min-14pts
2/1 28min-20pts


So basically he's had only 8 games with 28 plus minutes. Is there any logical reason he's not getting more PT?

11/9 20min-21pts
11/16 25min-19pts
12/31 21min-19pts
1/11 17min-15pts
2/9 25min-18pts
2/22 25min-18pts

Obviously there are plenty where he didn't have good games but my point is when he's playing well and shooting at a high clip. Why not keep him in the game?

You ride whatever player has the hot hand every time.

Because Willie Green and Miller are playing pretty good right now. The less you let Williams have the ball the more you are likely to win.

[tk76]

I see Iguodala as a young, promising player who needs to continue to add to his game- that is why I was frustrated to his aproach against Hedo.

The fact that he still score 25 pts in a game where he looked bad hints to his talent and potential. Even being over reliant on his jumper he still is a good offensive weapon- but hopefully he will learn from studying games like these how to be more on the attack.

I watch the same game and see the same issues as Sendem- but draw different long term conclusions. Iguodala is not replaceable by some journeyman CBA player. He still has major issues, but really has the potential to be an every game impact player if he continues to improve like he can. Its great that his jumper has developed into a weapon, he just needs to be less reliant on it.

[wow444]

Folks are being too hard on Dala. He is taking what the defense gives him. Do you all not see the defense collapse when he drives? Also he did make over 50% of those jump shots and scored 25 pts? The Sixers lost to a better team who played well. That is what is going to happen. Magic shot 45% from 3, including 5/5 from Nelson.

[Sixerscan]

you dudes were expecting Iggy to become a poor mans Lebron and because he's not your pissed and want him gone. Iggy has given ME just what I expected. It's not his fault that your expectations were stupid.

Great way to put it. Let's not do the classic Philly thing and run a good player out of town because he isn't perfect. Let's do the thing good teams do: get a better player or two so we can hide Iggy's flaws and let him play to his strengths.