FANTASY-DRAFT 08! (CHAT HERE!!!)

Kosta · Post #461 » by **Kosta** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:39 am

When did you make it official? I've been waiting all day to make my pick and out of courtesy and respect of a veteran poster like Vintage I gave him the time to make his selection, now my place gets bounced?

I'm sorry, but it's clear that this draft has gone out of whack, if the guys who signed up for this can't make their picks on time, they should forfeit and give up their spots to other people who will. This skipping of picks, auto picking, frankly, it's straight up bush league.

mudyez · Post #462 » by **mudyez** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:51 am

until now I really liked that everyone was waiting for every GM and so on, but in the end, they just became too relaxed, maybe just teilling themselfes: 2hey, they are waiting for me, so why do I need to make a list?

thats the reason, why we decided to go to the old hard nosed system...but in order to do that we had to find a way to reach our scheduled times...myth came up with a good idea to so so (see this thread or the bowen-pick) und finally we rae back in, with some teams in need to make some late picks

I said several times, that GM's should leave lists and only a few have...right now its just jhurting to wait for the same GM's every round and now its make or break: if you dont show up, you have to make the pick later, but noone will wait for you....and if we have like 5-6 GM's to do so, we may have to cancel the whole draft

Kosta · Post #463 » by **Kosta** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:58 am

So then, maybe everything should be put on hold. I don't want all your hard work to go to waste, but this is just not going to be a competitive competition if it continues like this. Guys won't like their rosters, other guys will get to pick from better players and put together better teams. When the playoff rounds start, if you don't like your roster, why would you make an effort to do a write up to convince the judges? Everything is out of sorts right now, we need to find out who wants to be a part of this, for real, the ones who're willing to put in the time and effort.

Baller 24 · Post #464 » by **Baller 24** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:00 am

what happened to the auto-picking?

Post #465 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:03 am

Yeah, skipping picks kind of makes the competition unfair, I agree with Baller, we can keep the time restraints but just autopick instead of skipping their pick entirely.

mudyez · Post #466 » by **mudyez** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:11 am

Kosta wrote:So then, maybe everything should be put on hold. I don't want all your hard work to go to waste, but this is just not going to be a competitive competition if it continues like this. Guys won't like their rosters, other guys will get to pick from better players and put together better teams. When the playoff rounds start, if you don't like your roster, why would you make an effort to do a write up to convince the judges? Everything is out of sorts right now, we need to find out who wants to be a part of this, for real, the ones who're willing to put in the time and effort.

its not like we didnt tried to know if the GM's are reliable, but what else can I do, than to ask them several times, to write it into the rules and so on? nearly every of the GM's has more than 1000 or eben 2000 posts and told me, that he will be active a lot...additionally it should be too hard to sent lists...but there are only like 5 or 6 GM's that even think about it

as for the fairness: why put it on hold? if they cant read when their picking time is, its not our problem...sorry....and I dont think its that much of a problem in round 5-6...we played the waiting game far too long.

damn I even mailed everyone that we would skip their picks starting round 5! we only skipped late guys and even waited some more time...so where is the problem?

as for autopicking: I decided, that thats a bad idea, coz the autopicked guy isnt available for some time...skipping solves that problem!

if GM's quit on it, I cant change it...its not like I'm a mod, that can hand warnings...right now I'm really pissed and if this thing goes down I dont give a s$%&/...I'm online like 20 hours a day, I dont get a lot of sleep (I'm sleeping about 4 hours a night which are slit into small parts to take a small look at the draft before going to bed agein)...if GM's dont care about the draft, I feel that its not worth it at all!

sorry

Kosta · Post #467 » by **Kosta** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:13 am

TMACFORMVP wrote:Yeah, skipping picks kind of makes the competition unfair, I agree with Baller, we can keep the time restraints but just autopick instead of skipping their pick entirely.

Pretty much, I'm not much of a fan of anything that doesn't involve the G.M making his own pick and selecting a player he wants. But if there is no other choice, there has to be at least an auto-pick, so the G.M who is picking after has an idea of what's happening.

I'll make a suggestion as well, the auto pick should be decided by a 3 G.M vote, or a judge selection.

mudyez · Post #468 » by **mudyez** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:15 am

TMACFORMVP wrote:Yeah, skipping picks kind of makes the competition unfair, I agree with Baller, we can keep the time restraints but just autopick instead of skipping their pick entirely.

just to point it out again:

say: if we autopick a guy and there are e.g. 7 picks after him....then the autopicked guy wont be available for them...if he decides, that he doesnt like that guy and needs to change the pick, the previous player becomes free and thats unfair to the 7 GM picking in between

by skipping picks only the late GM gets his penalty but not someone else, that acted correctly

thats my problem with it!

Kosta · Post #469 » by **Kosta** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:17 am

Mathias, there are posters who do care and appreciate your work. I just think it's a select few that have been tied up with things outside. With all due respect to the ones who have been holding up this competition, I think they should have thought about their availability beforehand or at least prepared themselves to send in lists and make it a lot more tolerable for the others who are participating in all of this.

mudyez · Post #470 » by **mudyez** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:18 am

Kosta wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Pretty much, I'm not much of a fan of anything that doesn't involve the G.M making his own pick and selecting a player he wants. But if there is no other choice, there has to be at least an auto-pick, so the G.M who is picking after has an idea of what's happening.

I'll make a suggestion as well, the auto pick should be decided by a 3 G.M vote, or a judge selection.

I personally dont have a problem but that leads us to another problem:

judges wont make the picks...we had the same problem last time and they felt its not right to pick for teams and then judge their own choices

how to make 3GM-decitions....first of all we need 3 GM to be online...ok, most of the time there are 3...if there are more, which 3 decide?...and finally how do you agree upon the pick... a lot of mailing/posting is needed!

mudyez · Post #471 » by **mudyez** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:21 am

Kosta wrote:Mathias, there are posters who do care and appreciate your work. I just think it's a select few that have been tied up with things outside. With all due respect to the ones who have been holding up this competition, I think they should have thought about their availability beforehand or at least prepared themselves to send in lists and make it a lot more tolerable for the others who are participating in all of this.

absolutely agree...and thats why I'm pissed

I dont want to end the whole thing but something ahs to change

as picks get less important, the avtivity will slip....if we dont act now, we will wait like days for some GM's if they know we will do so!

the only question is if we autopick or skipp...waiting for hours is no option at this point!

Kosta · Post #472 » by **Kosta** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:22 am

mudyez wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

just to point it out again:

say: if we autopick a guy and there are e.g. 7 picks after him....then the autopicked guy wont be available for them...if he decides, that he doesnt like that guy and needs to change the pick, the previous player becomes free and thats unfair to the 7 GM picking in between

by skipping picks only the late GM gets his penalty but not someone else, that acted correctly

thats my problem with it!

The auto-pick is final then, if the G.M doesn't make his pick on schedule, they have to live with the player picked at their spot.

A suggestion, we reset the draft times all over again, and redo the 5th round. If a G.M doesn't make his selection within his time frame, he gets an official auto-pick that is either selected by a 3 G.M vote (whoever is online at the time) or a judge selection (one of the 5). If the G.M repeats the offense more than one time, he's disqualified from the competition and relinquishes his team to another poster.

mudyez · Post #473 » by **mudyez** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:28 am

Kosta wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The auto-pick is final then, if the G.M doesn't make his pick on schedule, they have to live with the player picked at their spot.

A suggestion, we reset the draft times all over again, and redo the 5th round. If a G.M doesn't make his selection within his time frame, he gets an official auto-pick that is either selected by a 3 G.M vote (whoever is online at the time) or a judge selection (one of the 5). If the G.M repeats the offense more than one time, he's disqualified from the competition and relinquishes his team to another poster.

but if its final then, the GM may not like his team just as you said...I personally would have to choose if there is an final autopick or a skip, I would surely choose the skip as I at least get a player I like even if he may be a litte worse (IMO in these later rounds its not that important and the GM has a good chance of his top-guy still beeing there)

as for the other thing: I'd like a judge to give his opinion...just want to say: it will be hard to find replacements at this point...especially for a team he doesnt identify with

Kosta · Post #474 » by **Kosta** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:53 am

Simple solution, we need all 16 G.M's to come out and make a commitment here, I think we have the group to do it. Guys don't have to be on here 24/7, all you need do is check up once or twice throughout your day, if you know you aren't going to be around, do everyone else a favor and send out a lengthy list of players you have interest in.

Really, it's so simple if everybody would just put in a little extra effort here. Mathias is willing to make the picks for you through your lists if you can't be online to do them yourself.

Mathias has put in a lot of time and work into this, let's help him out. This is a privilege to be a part of, I know everybody involved loves basketball, so if not for us, do it for the game!

randomhero423 · Post #475 » by **randomhero423** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:10 am

i'm defintely in.

i think we should cut down the particpants on people who really wanna b in this league. and make a new draft order w/ their players and people who remain in it.

Kosta · Post #476 » by **Kosta** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:17 am

randomhero423 wrote:i'm defintely in.

i think we should cut down the particpants on people who really wanna b in this league. and make a new draft order w/ their players and people who remain in it.

Might be a good idea.

Btw, I made my pick, because I see guys continuing to make their picks. I don't want to be left shorthanded later on. And if everyone decides a do over of round 5, I'm cool with it.

randomhero423 · Post #477 » by **randomhero423** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:19 am

it'll make everything a lot shorter. and to be honest. it's not like some of these teams stand a chance against some of these teams anyway..

mudyez · Post #478 » by **mudyez** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:24 am

only things I can say for that:

last draft: 16 teams
the draft before: 30 teams

where will we end up?

dont know if i want to comish it, if we start over again

randomhero423 · Post #479 » by **randomhero423** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:29 am

nah we wouldn't. we'd simply take whatever teams want to still be in it. let's say 12. then all we do is re-do the draft order and continue on and put their players and whatever players were avail in. all it does is makes rounds shorter and playoffs shorter.

Kosta · Post #480 » by **Kosta** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:30 am

I think we'll get through this, just hang on Mathias. The first few rounds were going by smooth. I think it's been hammered enough by now, I'm hope people will respond and start mailing out their lists if they can't be on at least a few times daily to check if they're up.

Let's make a new schedule for picks starting tomorrow.