Ben Gordon Anyone?

[CPops57]

SendEm,

I'm not opposed to trading Iggy in a deal that made the team better, and I have myself proposed a few deals to do so. I also really appreciate and have considered the argument you put forth here, but to throw a few counterpoints out there, I do think that defense is a much bigger consideration than you're making it out to be if you want to have a chance at a title.

Because there are so many great scoring SGs in the nba, it behooves a team to also have a SG with some defensive skill. Iggy might not be quite as good a scorer as a Michael Redd or Kevin Martin, but he's one of the few players I'd trust to always get a hand in his counterpart's face and make them work for every single point they get and also make them work (enough) on the defensive end. If another team is dependent on their SG to carry much of the offense, and we've got a guy who can slow him up, that's a very good thing to have.

Your point about having enough shooting is legitimate if we had a starting lineup of something like Miller/Iggy/Thad/Brand?/Dalembert, but I have two points to make.

* Adding a PF will open up everybody offensively. Right now, much of the game we're playing 4 on 5 on offense and despite that we're winning (a few) games. Iggy is probably never going to be a 45% 3-point shooter for example, but with a decent 4 he will get more open looks than he does now and so his and everybody elses %'s should increase.

* I think a lot of the outside shooting can come from the bench. Once the Sixers use their cap space or draft pick to get their PF, they can use their remaining assets to try to add a good complementary shooter off the bench. Also, a lot of the youth on the team (Smith and Williams in particular, maybe Carney too if he gets his head out of his butt) have the potential to be quality shooters.

Anyway, I don't disagree with you that much, just throwing some counterpoints & observations at your argument.

[LieCheatSteal]

Acquiring Larry Hughes makes no sense for the Bulls. They have a budding starter in Sefalosha and pretty much diminishes Gordon's trade value (because other teams know that Gordon's pretty much the odd man out now at SG).

As for the Sixers, I'm totally for adding Gordon only if the PF position and Iggy's contract are dealt with first.

[corwin]

As for the Sixers, I'm totally for adding Gordon only if the PF position and Iggy's contract are dealt with first.

I agree. I think Ed needs to sign Lou Williams & Iggy & then see what he gets in the draft & I hope he takes the BPA. After that, he should know whether he needs a scorer or big man through free agency.

[chrice]

Gordon wants a lot of money, he already turned down around 9 million/year extension, but it's hard to justify spending more than 8million/year for an undersized shooting guard who can't do much else. For some reason I think if the Bulls can't win with their backcourt, this team isn't going to win with him either.

[SendEm]

Ben Gordan is a great bench player but he can only be a starter on a CHIP team if it has a bonafide scoring dominating center like Shaq and Hakeem or a team running the triangle offense. In both cases he would play the role of the PG where the offense runs itself.

[sixerguy]

Ben Gordon is a dime a dozen type player who plays at a dime a dozen position. Hell no would I give him 10 million a year. We can find someone for the MLE amount that does the same thing.

Is Salim Stoudamire much worse (athletic 3pt shooter gunner)?

[CPops57]

Ben Gordon is a dime a dozen type player

He's not a superstar, but you're selling him short.

[sixerguy]

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He's not a superstar, but you're selling him short.

to me, a team can find Ben Gordon easily. Look at guys like Rashard Mccants, Daniel Gibson, Barbosa, JR Smith and tell me are they much different.

To me he's just a rich man's Eddie House/Salim Stoudamire.

Sixers don't need to waste their money (1o+ million) on Ben Gordon.

[CPops57]

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to me, a team can find Ben Gordon easily. Look at guys like Rashard Mccants, Daniel Gibson, Barbosa, JR Smith and tell me are they much different.

To me he's just a rich man's Eddie House/Salim Stoudamire.

I don't want to sound like a Ben Gordon cheerleader because he's not my favorite player in the world and I think he is limited in several ways, but I still think you're selling him a bit short by putting him in that tier.

Sixers don't need to waste their money (1o+ million) on Ben Gordon.

Well, yeah, they need a PF more than another guard, so getting Gordon shouldn't be considered until they figure out what to do about PF.

But if they somehow solve their problem there via trade or draft, and if his salary is semi-reasonable, then why not consider adding a guy that will help tremendously with scoring and outside shooting?

When he's on, he's a very good, arguably elite, scorer & shooter. We can't find a way to use one of those?

[sixerguy]

If we could sign him for 5-8 million a year then that's semi-reasonable. that's what Barbosa is getting.

On the other side, Michael Redd gets 14-17mil a year and isnt much different.

If we have Iggy, Thad, draft PF, and Miller, we could get by with a SG like Daniel Gibson or Barbosa for cheaper.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Gibson is not a SG, he's Louis Williams minus the explosiveness.

[sixerguy]

yea LW wont the three point contest, forgot.

[Mik317]

I never knew that Daniel Gibson's nickname was Jason Kapono...........hmm

[sixerguy]

he got the record for most threes in a rookie game and he's tops in the league in 3pters made, semantics.

point is, he isnt louis williams.

and gordon isnt worth more than 5-8 mil per

[Mik317]

David Lee also scored 32 points in the rookie game.............does that make him great too?

[sixerguy]

is david lee also tops in the league in ppg?

[Mik317]

So Gibson's name is now Lebron James?

[sixerguy]

no gibson is top 14 in 3ptm (#8 3pt avg per game) and louis williams is not

[Mik317]

yippe.......good for him. It's kinda easy to do that when you have some guy named Lebron playing next to you getting you open shots.

[sixerguy]

so what is your opinion on Ben Gordon on the Sixers?