Tony Parker vs Jose Calderon

[AgEnT50]

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Is Parker also better than Chris Paul?

In previous years yes...this year no, but Parker has been on the shelf most of the season

[CoachPop]

Parker has been injured all season, so people forget just how good he is, and how good he is yet to become, as he continues to improve each year. But a healthy Parker is a couple notches above Calderon.

[Kabookalu]

Parker has been injured all season, so people forget just how good he is, and how good he is yet to become, as he continues to improve each year. But a healthy Parker is a couple notches above Calderon.

Not really, Parker's biggest strength is his penetration and finishing abilities, though Calderon is also good in this area. Calderon is one of the best shooters among all point guards, his percentages are mind blowing. Then add that he's a better passer and playmaker than Parker. Although Parker is a better defender, though I grade playmaking and passing at a much higher level than defense at the point guard position.

[Teddy KGB]

Easily Tony Parker.

Once Calderon does this on the big stage I will be convinced.

[xAIRNESSx]

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In previous years yes...this year no, but Parker has been on the shelf most of the season

But Paul hasn't won a playoff series either.

[EvadedHavoc]

I'll have to go with the Finals MVP until further notice.

[Kabookalu]

Why is this even a debate?

[Kabookalu]

I'm curious tsherkin, who did you think deserved to win the Finals MVP in 2004? The Pistons as a team just dominated the Lakers it really was hard to scuffle through for a single player that was responsible for most of the damage. I was fine going with either Hamilton, Ben, or Billups.

[tsherkin]

I'm curious tsherkin, who did you think deserved to win the Finals MVP in 2004? The Pistons as a team just dominated the Lakers it really was hard to scuffle through for a single player that was responsible for most of the damage. I was fine going with either Hamilton, Ben, or Billups.

2004 is a situation where I have difficulty believing there was a Finals MVP; the nature of that team sort of precluded a stand-out player, most especially because they won by accident and not on talent. But semantic descriptions of their victory aside, I felt honestly that the only appropriate way to award the Finals MVP that year would have been to give it to Big Ben and Rip...

Or, and don't laugh at me, Big Ben and Tayshaun Prince.

The Pistons won that series for three reasons:

1) Karl Malone was injured whenever he played and missed a game.

2) The Lakers' roleplayers were missing open shots

and

3) Kobe Bryant played the worst basketball of his life, and maybe the dumbest basketball I've seen played since I started watching ball... at least for a putatively All-Star caliber player.

Three is the only one that can be attributed to the Pistons, because they did a brilliant job of taking advantage of his idiotic shot selection and his interest in driving into triple coverage; Prince and Big Ben did unspeakable things to Kobe Bryant defensively, doing a great job of baiting him into dumb shots that weren't falling and doing as good a normal defensive job on him as can be done.

But I'd probably have gone with Rip and Big Ben. Billups was good, sure, and he did a very good job of exploiting the semi-mobile remains of Gary Payton that Pat Riley had animated for the playoffs through unspeakable necromantic rituals, but I think Rip did a better job because he was being guarded by Kobe and he was the one whose off-ball movement created like half of Billups' assists. Rip, like Reggie, is one of those players who actually makes John Hollinger's assertion that assists should be valued at AST*.33 in linear stats more reasonable, because he does all the work in creating an open space and making the shot, whereas Billups was primarily making clear-lane passes, which even a grade-school baller can make (not that I want to devalue Billups, he was obviously a huge part of their success, remains so and is an All-Star but I mean in that series in particular, Rip was scoring just about as much and doing a lot more work to create a lot of Billups' assists than Chauncey was in delivering the pass).

[TAI8]

Tony Parker easily.

[EiRON]

Tony Parker

[jeff1624]

I'll take Parker but it's close...

[Alex_De_Large]

calderon is better point guard, parker better scorer, but overall calderon is better, he is not that bad on defense.

[halfHAVOC]

jose since hes a pure PG

[WadeKnicks2010]

Parker is a shoot first PG but he's not a ball hog. He's a complete all around player at his position.

[ITK9]

i choose the final mvp over a guy that is starting only because tj ford is injured.

[T-Spot]

Parker is a shoot first PG but he's not a ball hog. He's a complete all around player at his position.

Parker is great at what he does, but is far from a complete all around player at his position.[/url]

[positivetension]

i choose the final mvp over a guy that is starting only because tj ford is injured.

Your team sucks almost as bad as your posts. Maybe you should read the thread?

[jzmagik]

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Your team sucks almost as bad as your posts. Maybe you should read the thread?

And what has Toronto accomplished in the NBA? Game, set... match.

[tsherkin]

And now we've degenerated to schoolyard bickering. Let's keep it at a semi-coherent level of debate, positivetension and jzmagik, OK?