Shaq lies: "Amaree is best big in the NBA"

[rip7]

Amare is the best big man in the league and I can dunk on a 14 foot rim. No lie.

[Typhoon20]

Someone please post the gif of Amare flying 10 feet after bouncing on Dwight.

[SOUL]

Wow @ everybody overating Dwight here, he is not better than Duncan or KG yet. obviously he will be as they get older but just no

[HeyIt'sMe]

There is no way anyone can sit there and tell me Howard is better than Garnett or Duncan without looking like a fool in the process.

Howard could be better than both of them in time, he may be better than they both were at their respective ages, but he's not better than them in the present, that is such a horribly obvious homerism that its hilarious.

Dwight is almost robotic like on offense if he's not dunking it, those guys are guys you go to in final minutes of a game to get a bucket, or at least run your offense through them and have guys like Parker/Pierce feed off of them. Howard is not that guy yet, he'll either shoot up a brick with his terrible post offense or fumble the ball away.

It's so awful that he puts up 21.8 PPG on 60.4% shooting. I know he doesn't have the most polished low post game in the world and that a lot of his points come off dunks and alley oops, but it isn't "terrible." A terrible post game is what Ben Wallace has.

[MagiChamps]

There is no way anyone can sit there and tell me Howard is better than Garnett or Duncan without looking like a fool in the process.

Howard could be better than both of them in time, he may be better than they both were at their respective ages, but he's not better than them in the present, that is such a horribly obvious homerism that its hilarious.

Dwight is almost robotic like on offense if he's not dunking it, those guys are guys you go to in final minutes of a game to get a bucket, or at least run your offense through them and have guys like Parker/Pierce feed off of them. Howard is not that guy yet, he'll either shoot up a brick with his terrible post offense or fumble the ball away.

Dwight is better than Garnett and Duncan. I don't understand the argument that the best player is the guy who gets the ball at the end of the game. There are 48 mins. in every game and defense and rebounding count just as much as scoring. BTW Mr. Roboto is averaging more ppg than Duncan or Garnett. Stoudemire is better than either of them too now that he is at PF.

[CourtsideTV]

Amare is the best big man in the league and I can dunk on a 14 foot rim. No lie.

this man does not lie. I saw him do it.

[Happyfoosball]

There is no way anyone can sit there and tell me Howard is better than Garnett or Duncan without looking like a fool in the process.

Howard could be better than both of them in time, he may be better than they both were at their respective ages, but he's not better than them in the present, that is such a horribly obvious homerism that its hilarious.

Dwight is almost robotic like on offense if he's not dunking it, those guys are guys you go to in final minutes of a game to get a bucket, or at least run your offense through them and have guys like Parker/Pierce feed off of them. Howard is not that guy yet, he'll either shoot up a brick with his terrible post offense or fumble the ball away.

Why? Why do I look bad by saying Dwights better? I don't care if he shoots a 15 footer, or dunks it. 2 points is 2 points and results are results. It doesn't matter how a player gets it done only that he does or he doesn't. I'd take Dwight over all those guys this year.

[mfishy]

Do not ever listen to a word shaq says. Despite the fact that he has been the most dominating player of the past decade or so, he is an ass.

There is not a GM in the league that takes Amare over Dwight today. But yes, of course, Amare is a very good player, and perhaps great with shaq on the floor with him.

It is very difficult and sort of meaningless to compare a young player to 10+ year veterans.

Rings seperate all stars from legends. KG needs one. Not saying it's fair - just the way it is. Shaq and Duncan are the conversation, not KG until he wins.

Why does someone always bring up the fact that Dwight looks "robotic" unless he is dunking? Last I checked you do not get extra points for style AND the dunk is the ultimate goal on every possession. Also, the 15 rebounds a game and defensive intimidation must count for something lol...

It is not like Dwight is playing against a bunch of bums every night. This is the NBA and he looks like he is playing on a nerf hoop against high school girls half the time. Why is Dwight the only man in the game that can get to the rim so often? Is he the only one that wants to?

[oakfanintheeast]

sorry, dwight does not belong in the same sentence as duncan and garnett at this point in time.

[oakfanintheeast]

also, amare is a big man??? thats news to me. i thought big men rebound and amare does not.


amare is one of the worst defenders in the nba.

[minimoe]

oakfanintheeast do you care to explain why Dwight dosent belong in the same sentence as them? Im sure you wouldnt mind on elaborating on that by backing it up with something right?

[Furinkazan]

Superman is the best
fck u Batman and Robin(no offense Tony:D)

[SOUL]

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Why? Why do I look bad by saying Dwights better? I don't care if he shoots a 15 footer, or dunks it. 2 points is 2 points and results are results. It doesn't matter how a player gets it done only that he does or he doesn't. I'd take Dwight over all those guys this year.

No crap we'd take him 1. He's 22. 2. He is a beast, still doesn't mean he is a better player.. better rebounder? Sure. But on offense and defense they are still better.. I love Dwight tho, I'm sure he will get to that level soon

[oakfanintheeast]

oakfanintheeast do you care to explain why Dwight dosent belong in the same sentence as them? Im sure you wouldnt mind on elaborating on that by backing it up with something right?

are you talking about duncan and garnett now, or garnett and duncan at dwights' age vs. dwight now?

if you are talking about right now, dwight's game isn't a microcosm of theirs.

[TNMagicFan]

if you are talking about right now, dwight's game isn't a microcosm of theirs.

Thats just a ridiculous statement . Even if you think they are better than Dwight there is no way they are that much better

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are you talking about duncan and garnett now, or garnett and duncan at dwights' age vs. dwight now?

if you are talking about right now, dwight's game isn't a microcosm of theirs.

Thanks your explanation? Well glad you explained your reasoning

[N4U|Redux]

Why? Why do I look bad by saying Dwights better? I don't care if he shoots a 15 footer, or dunks it. 2 points is 2 points and results are results. It doesn't matter how a player gets it done only that he does or he doesn't. I'd take Dwight over all those guys this year.

Points are points, but points arent everything. Your jump from "points" to "results" is not valid though. Points aren't results, and while I don't think you're indicating such a thing, results are not something that is on paper, and that actually is where they differ.

If you'd take Dwight this year, that's your decision, it's probably a bad one, but it's your decision.

BTW - I wouldn't trade Dwight for Duncan or Garnett. Just to get that out there.

Dwight is better than Garnett and Duncan. I don't understand the argument that the best player is the guy who gets the ball at the end of the game. There are 48 mins. in every game and defense and rebounding count just as much as scoring. BTW Mr. Roboto is averaging more ppg than Duncan or Garnett. Stoudemire is better than either of them too now that he is at PF.

The best player isn't necessarily the player that gets the ball at the end of the game, I agree. Some players are just great clutch players but aren't good enough to do it the entire game. However, the "best" player in the post shouldn't have such obvious deficiencies that you would avoid him in order to get your best possible look. It's what is happening now and for a reason.

Why does someone always bring up the fact that Dwight looks "robotic" unless he is dunking? Last I checked you do not get extra points for style AND the dunk is the ultimate goal on every possession. Also, the 15 rebounds a game and defensive intimidation must count for something lol...

It is not like Dwight is playing against a bunch of bums every night. This is the NBA and he looks like he is playing on a nerf hoop against high school girls half the time. Why is Dwight the only man in the game that can get to the rim so often? Is he the only one that wants to?

His criticisms of the post offense he possesses are warrented. He is still pretty raw in the post. Something which is a prerequisite to being better than guys like Garnett or Duncan despite the amount of points he scores. Points aren't everything, neither are raw stats (a reason why Hedo didn't make the playoffs over other "worse" statistical players).

oakfanintheeast do you care to explain why Dwight dosent belong in the same sentence as them? Im sure you wouldnt mind on elaborating on that by backing it up with something right?

Don't act like reasons have not been given in the past both in this thread and on this forum, as well as by opposing fans. Dwight has some serious weaknesses both in post offense, and in 1-on-1 defense. He'll sharpen up as he goes along, but right now he's not anywhere near as good as those two vets. He belongs in the same sentence in the fact that "he'll be as good as them eventually" but not right now if we're comparing them.

No crap we'd take him 1. He's 22. 2. He is a beast, still doesn't mean he is a better player.. better rebounder? Sure. But on offense and defense they are still better.. I love Dwight tho, I'm sure he will get to that level soon

Agreed.

People are mistaking age and potential as well as dominance for being the "best." Dwight is exhibiting some great numbers, but they're hardly pretty numbers -- and while people will contend that doesn't matter, numbers aren't everything. Dwight does not have the same effect on the floor as Duncan and Garnett do. Duncan has never been a statistical powerhouse in the PPG category and I don't believe he's ever led the league in rebounding either, but he was at one time the undisputed greatest PF in the game, or at least in the same talk with Garnett.

In ending, Dwight needs to simply mature into becoming these guys. He's neither of them yet, he'll get there and it'll be a great ride to watch him do it (and it has been). Don't confuse stats for the total effect on a game, we all know the PF we'd take in the finals against the west -- and it'd probably be either Duncan or Garnett for those of us who are sane. Dwight will be tested more and more as we get deeper into the playoffs when those dunks won't come by so easily, and when each game is tougher and each opponent has (up to) 7 games to fully work on stopping you. If by some fluke we get to the finals, we'll see how good Dwight really is, I expect his effect to be much less than it is now if we reach that point.

[oakfanintheeast]

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Thats just a ridiculous statement . Even if you think they are better than Dwight there is no way they are that much better

howard's game is simply overpowering defenders. Garnett shoots threes, and can score anywhere on the floor. dwight cant. he has limited offensive moves and a questionable left hand. Duncan is probably the most fundamental big man i have ever seen. He can bank in a shot from anywhere. Duncan is going to go down as the best PF ever most likely.

IMO dwight is more comparable to shaq than KG or duncan, because i highly doubt his offensive game will ever be at their level.

comparing amare and dwight is stupid. amare is soft and does not rebound, dwight isnt soft and kills the boards. Dwight isnt a good defender, Amare is God awful. amare is the most overrated player in the league.

[AgEnT50]

He did this with Kobe and Dwayne.

Exactly....if he went to the Bucks, Michael Redd would become the best player he's played with

[MagiChamps]

The best player isn't necessarily the player that gets the ball at the end of the game, I agree. Some players are just great clutch players but aren't good enough to do it the entire game. However, the "best" player in the post shouldn't have such obvious deficiencies that you would avoid him in order to get your best possible look. It's what is happening now and for a reason.

I understand what you're saying but I don't see why not. If a player is more dominant throughout the game and does more to help his team up to that point, I don't think it makes him not "the best" just because you don't go to him at the end.

Agreed.

People are mistaking age and potential as well as dominance for being the "best." Dwight is exhibiting some great numbers, but they're hardly pretty numbers -- and while people will contend that doesn't matter, numbers aren't everything. Dwight does not have the same effect on the floor as Duncan and Garnett do.

I disagree. When Dwight goes off the floor, our team starts losing, kind of like what happens when Phoenix loses Nash. I like SVG's stat about our record when he gets 3 blocks or more - his presence makes the rest of our team better. Boston just went 7-2 with Garnett injured. Now he's back and they lost three in a row. I'll admit the schedule had something to do with that but it's pretty obvious they weren't falling apart while he was gone. I would give you stats for the Spurs without Duncan but I don't remember the last time he was injured.

Duncan has never been a statistical powerhouse in the PPG category and I don't believe he's ever led the league in rebounding either, but he was at one time the undisputed greatest PF in the game, or at least in the same talk with Garnett.

One time? If we can't talk about Dwight right now based on his future potential then you can't say he is the best because of his distant past. Bosh and Amare weren't around back then anyway so that's not really that impressive. I'd include Dwight in that but he's not a PF.