Kings at Bobcats?

[KF10]

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I don't really think it's about ROOTING for losses at this point, I think it's wanting to see the younger guys develop so we can move on with the future of this team and accepting that sometimes losses come with that.

That's understandable. But when we lose in a fashion that the Kings are not trying to win, that's unacceptable...If we lose in a hard fought game, that's acceptable...We see the youngsters grow and gain experience and etc... All in all, losing in purpose is unacceptable regardless...

As fans, we could only root for them NOT the opposite...

[backer55]

I dont care if we end up with the last lotto pick. I love watching this team putting effort out there and winning games.

+4,5, what ever... but well said.

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[pillwenney]

We are supposedly picking in the 11-13 range,one spot lower might cost us a valuable player we could need. The way portland is playing it is possible that we can overtake them and instead end up in pick 13. Im not saying that i hate our team winning but i will be happy if all they do is give their effort to be able to build for the future.

But this is really the bottom line. Whoever is 9th in the East will definitely have a worse record than us, so unless the two teams that don't make it out west start to do a nosedive, we're pretty much locked up at the 12 spot IMO. I'm not worried at all about our draft position at this point.

I understand the perspective of wanting to develop the young guys (at least once we're mathematically out of it--to bench our vets before then would be to really instill a bad mentality in the team), but I just think it's dumb to say that we should have traded Ron when you could just as easily say that we should have traded Brad or Mikki. The "tutor" argument is useless when you consider that Ron has been more of a tutor to the team than anyone.

[SacKingZZZ]

At this point our draft position is what it is IMO. We might as well try winning games to have this team and its young players develop a winning mentality. If we can get to .500 at the end of the year we can build on that for next season and try to improve from that mark.

Could be a big difference between picking 12th and picking 14th.

[SacKingZZZ]

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But this is really the bottom line. Whoever is 9th in the East will definitely have a worse record than us, so unless the two teams that don't make it out west start to do a nosedive, we're pretty much locked up at the 12 spot IMO. I'm not worried at all about our draft position at this point.

I understand the perspective of wanting to develop the young guys (at least once we're mathematically out of it--to bench our vets before then would be to really instill a bad mentality in the team), but I just think it's dumb to say that we should have traded Ron when you could just as easily say that we should have traded Brad or Mikki. The "tutor" argument is useless when you consider that Ron has been more of a tutor to the team than anyone.

Given the situation we really shouldn't have traded Ron. I would have loved to see the roster open up like that but if the best rebuilding offer was really Najera/1st? Yeah, screw that. Denver will learn a very important lesson with that one I am sure.

The thing with Ron is that there may not be as long of a timeline of opportunity to move him. Brad won't be able to leave for nothing in the next year or so, and hasn't shown the attitude that Ron has which has invariably affected his value. Ron has said as much himself.

[SacKingZZZ]

When the Kings lose, I'm pissed every time. No true fan will ever want their team to lose. I question some your guys fanhood. You ain't true Kings fans

Fan of the team, not a fan of where this team is being lead.

[pillwenney]

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Could be a big difference between picking 12th and picking 14th.

I'd say that 14th is out of the question. That would mean that one of the top 9 teams in the west would have to tank like crazy, and I don't see that happening. 13 (if Portland tanked a little) would be possible, but I'd still say it's not too likely we'll catch Portland.

The thing with Ron is that there may not be as long of a timeline of opportunity to move him. Brad won't be able to leave for nothing in the next year or so, and hasn't shown the attitude that Ron has which has invariably affected his value. Ron has said as much himself.

Huh?

[SacKingZZZ]

Very little odds but if a team behind us gets a top 3 pick we can still move back right?


And to your "huh?" I respond with....Huh? Where have you been. Ron doesn't exactly have the best rep around in case you didn't notice.

[pillwenney]

Very little odds but if a team behind us gets a top 3 pick we can still move back right?


And to your "huh?" I respond with....Huh? Where have you been. Ron doesn't exactly have the best rep around in case you didn't notice.

Yeah, but that's very, very, very unlikely. If we're going to take that into consideration, then we should also be talking about the possibility of having to choose between Rose and Beasley.

Sure he doesn't but he hasn't done anything recently, and if that affects his trade value, then shouldn't Brad be the one that's traded? The point is that, at least IMO, it really isn't hurting the team at all, so who cares?

[BMiller52]

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Yeah, but that's very, very, very unlikely. If we're going to take that into consideration, then we should also be talking about the possibility of having to choose between Rose and Beasley.

Sure he doesn't but he hasn't done anything recently, and if that affects his trade value, then shouldn't Brad be the one that's traded? The point is that, at least IMO, it really isn't hurting the team at all, so who cares?

To be honest I'd like to see us trade Brad on draft night and acquire another 1st, then package that with ours and move up or something.

[pillwenney]

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To be honest I'd like to see us trade Brad on draft night and acquire another 1st, then package that with ours and move up or something.

I'm not really for moving up unless it can get us Bayless, Rose, or Beasley. Otherwise, there's not that much incentive since many of the players in the like 4-10ish range are SG's, SF and Centers.

[SacKingZZZ]

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I'm not really for moving up unless it can get us Bayless, Rose, or Beasley. Otherwise, there's not that much incentive since many of the players in the like 4-10ish range are SG's, SF and Centers.

That's true, but if we can do a deal like that it has to be considered for value's sake alone.