Summer Splash?

[Fire BK]

Rick Bucher recently mentioned on ESPN radio how trade deadline discussions often become the building blocks for big trades in the summer. We know that from the KG deal. Bucher said the framework of the KG trade was formulated at the trade deadline last year....

Teams may prefer to wait until the draft when they have a better idea of what assets they will have, moving forward. Also, this is helpful in order to do a package deal. They know where they'll be drafting, free agency will be clearer, and 07-08 contracts will be completely off the books...

The contenders want to make an in-season move to propel them to the top this year. But teams without such urgency may be better off waiting so they can extend their assets and maximize returns.

Clearly, the Sixers have been setting up for this kind of move. Stefanski has been saying it all year. Sixerfan 1976 confirmed it. There will be a splash this summer.

What do you expect to see? What do you hope to see? Will Stefanski draft from his slotted position in June? Will he package the pick with Iggy to maximize his chips' value? Stefanski has repeatedly referred to Iggy as an "asset." Thad has emerged as a potential star SF.

It's axiomatic that the Sixers need a 4-man... If Eddie's going to make a splash, it almost has to be a PF cannonball. We discussed the possibilities of Amare earlier, which won't be happening anymore. What other PF's could become available? Could Eddie trade up to #1 and land Beasley? What will be Eddie's first splash?

[dond]

The part about Iggy being moved with the idea of Thadeus Young taking over at the SF spot is interesting to me. I have never been completely sold on Igoudala as a franchise player and he has shown some flaws this year which make me believe he is not a good choice for a shooting guard. So, he might be a good option for making a big move. This is an example of the types of difficult choices GM's have to make. We can just speculate on things ... they have to actually do something ... and hope for the best.

[CPops57]

If Eddie's going to make a splash, it almost has to be a PF cannonball.

That's very poetic.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

What do you expect to see?

A trade of some kind.

What do you hope to see?

If Thad Young is our future at small forward then I would like to see either a move to get a mainstay at power forward or Iguodala packaged for a high draft pick with the position of us possibly getting Derrick Rose, or Eric Gordon possibly Mike Beasley.

Will Stefanski draft from his slotted position in June?

Unless we move Iguodala and our pick much like Golden State did last year I see us standing pat with our pick especially if it's like top 15 or so.

Will he package the pick with Iggy to maximize his chips' value?

I'd like to think he would if Iguodala is not the answer at guard for us.

What other PF's could become available?

Elton Brand- We have to see what he does the rest of the year once he comes back. If he looks like he's in full form from the injury then we should try to scoop him up.

Could Eddie trade up to #1 and land Beasley?

Would we even have enough to offer for that to happen without taking steps backward? Iguodala plus our pick I don't think would be enough. However it depends on who has the number 1 pick. If the Heat end up with the number 1 pick then no I don't see that happening. I see them grabbing Beasley and running. If Memphis gets the number 1 pick I could see a trade going down but at the expense of Derrick Rose. It's pretty much a pipe dream that we get the number 1 pick at this point.

What will be Eddie's first splash?

His first splash should be through the draft in my opinion. Derrick Rose, Beasley, and Gordon would all help us very much. All three seem like franchise players which is what we need.
I'd like to think that we could make a run at either Artest or Shawn Marion this offseason. Both have the option of opting out and I could see them doing so.
I think at this point Iguodala being traded could be his first big move. I don't want Iggy to leave just yet but it wouldn't crsuh me if he did. He along with some other "assets" could land us a potentially great player.
I doubt Iguodala gets much better than what he is right now. With that being said I don't put it past him to make an all star ballot or two before his tenure is up.
It's all so very confusing to me. I expected us to be horrible this year but Lou Will, and Thad have been great surprises to me and Miller and Iggy have played like all stars. Part of me thinks we really need to see how far this current roster can take us and then go from there.

[Sandalf42]

I know I'm definitly in the minority, but I think we should relax on the dealing.

Our team is very young, and if we cood just add a low post PF through FA (Brand would be ideal, but not nessecarily him), this team can really become something...... in the East.

Other than that, my philosophy would be "wait for the perfect trade."

[freshie2]

It will be interesting to see what they do in the off season...who is the FA they target, who do they re-sign, who do they trade, who do they draft?? We're all anxious for the next move.

Biedrens and Okafor seem to be the best FA big men they can target, but neither are ideal compliments to Sam. They need more bigs, and they need 3 pt shooting. For no other reason than I think the Raptors would consider this...

Sam for Bargnani/Kopono

Draft Thabeet

Sign Biedrens

Gives you...

Miller/Williams
Iguodala/Green/Carney
Young/Kopono
Bargnani/Evans/Smith
Biedrens/Thabeet/Booth

Not sure if I'm crazy about it...just popped in my head...chop away!!

[Sandalf42]

It will be interesting to see what they do in the off season...who is the FA they target, who do they re-sign, who do they trade, who do they draft?? We're all anxious for the next move.

Biedrens and Okafor seem to be the best FA big men they can target, but neither are ideal compliments to Sam. They need more bigs, and they need 3 pt shooting. For no other reason than I think the Raptors would consider this...

Sam for Bargnani/Kopono

Draft Thabeet

Sign Biedrens

Gives you...

Miller/Williams
Iguodala/Green/Carney
Young/Kopono
Bargnani/Evans/Smith
Biedrens/Thabeet/Booth

Not sure if I'm crazy about it...just popped in my head...chop away!!

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Even if the Raptors did do that trade, we would still have a weak interior (prolly weaker).

I like the idea of adding Kapono and Bargnani, but I don't want to go throught ANOTHER 5 years waiting for a raw, undelevoped 7-footer to develop.

[barkley34]

Maybe Dabods knows the answer to this.

Our cap space is only 10 million counting Iggy and Lou's cap holds at what 8.5 and 1.5 for each?

So if we have to pay Iggy over 8.5 million say 10 million and we have to pay Lou like 4 million does that reduce that 10 million cap space down to 6 million?

I keep hearing in the Philly media how the Sixers will be players in free agency this summer. If they only have that 6 million after signing Lou and Iggy then 6 million is barely above the MLE.

They should have dumped some more salary at the deadline IMO.

[Fire BK]

It's all so very confusing to me . . . Part of me thinks we really need to see how far this current roster can take us and then go from there.

Totally! Eddie's short tenure has been so confusing.... And it's not his fault... It's just that these players have been playing their hearts out... It's made the whole big-picture rather schizo.

I'm not opposed to waiting for the perfect trade.... I just get the feeling that something big is going to happen this summer.... Clearly, it's just speculation until we know where we're drafting...

This draft is shaping up to be mighty interesting. There are several intriguing names. Thabeet is looking like a potential monster in the NBA.... Eric Gordon will be a prototypical NBA SG.... Kevin Love may be available when the Sixers draft... Even Darrel Arthur could start slipping like his Kansas counterpart from last year (Julian Wright).

Depending on who's available, I could actually see Eddie dealing Andre Miller in a package this summer.... I see Iggy's rights as Eddie's strongest chip, however, and I get the feeling he's been planning on a S+T for some time.... Just the way he talks about Iggy - there's never any kind of language resembling commitment.

[Cru Thik]

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Totally! Eddie's short tenure has been so confusing.... And it's not his fault... It's just that these players have been playing their hearts out... It's made the whole big-picture rather schizo.

I'm not opposed to waiting for the perfect trade.... I just get the feeling that something big is going to happen this summer.... Clearly, it's just speculation until we know where we're drafting...

This draft is shaping up to be mighty interesting. There are several intriguing names. Thabeet is looking like a potential monster in the NBA.... Eric Gordon will be a prototypical NBA SG.... Kevin Love may be available when the Sixers draft... Even Darrel Arthur could start slipping like his Kansas counterpart from last year (Julian Wright).

Depending on who's available, I could actually see Eddie dealing Andre Miller in a package this summer.... I see Iggy's rights as Eddie's strongest chip, however, and I get the feeling he's been planning on a S+T for some time.... Just the way he talks about Iggy - there's never any kind of language resembling commitment.

Wasn't he the same way about Mo and then he got a new deal?

[Fire BK]

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Wasn't he the same way about Mo and then he got a new deal?

Phenomenal point.

Could be GM Speak at its finest.... Eddie definitely seems like a hardball negotiator... That's a great point.

[THFM]

I really think Dalembert is on his way out, as much as Ed praised his game, I think he is the chip that is leaving. Think about it:

1. This is Dalembert's best season and his stock will never get this high again.

2. There are some nice C's in the draft (Thabeet)

3. He is going to be the highest paid player next to Miller and Iggy.

4. Teams are looking for Centers more then a wing man.

I can see Ed shipping our left over cap space, Dalembert and our pick to move up in the draft along with a nice big man in return. I see the Bobcats as our team to trade with. They will have a nice pick, and they will sign Okafor to nice deal and ship him over.

Bobcats Recieve:

Samuel Dalembert
Our Pick
Utah's Pick
Cap Space

76ers Recieve:

Emeka Okafor
Charlotte's Pick

MARK MY WORDS! If you have to screen cap this or whatever, THIS WILL HAPPEN.

[76erinSJ]

I like Ed as our GM. He doesnt show his hand at all. You can tell hes a good poker player by this. With BK on the other hand, would show his hand whether he had a good hand or a bad one. But somehow even if King had a good hand he would somehow end up folding or messing that hand up. I think Ed will make a major trade this offseason I just have no clue what it will be. I could see him Trading Iggy, Sam or Miller for that big move this offseason. One of those 3 will be moving tho as they are our only true asests to make that big trade. I hope Miller goes but I dont think he will land us that peice so it will have to be either Dala or Sammy but Ed did say he wants to makes this team an athletic running team so Iggy and Sammy fit that style. Ed just isnt showing us or anyone his hand lol.

[76ciology]

The only way Sixers can escape this state of mediocrity is to take bold steps. And with how the Sixers is playing right now, that bold steps isn't likely to be tanking and acquiring a franchise player via the draft.

ith the personel and assets we have on this team, it is most likely that the Sixers will make a move like what Ainge did with the Celts last offseason. The Celts was composed of a bunch of overrated young players which would need to take atleast three seasons for them to be a contender in the league. Ainge took a very bold step by trading these assets, along with the high lotto pick last offseason to acquire Ray Allen and KG.

Ed Stefanski's statement and belief of Andre Miller as being an untouchable player on the Sixers seems confusing. First, Andre Miller is not a kind of player to built around. Second, Andre Miller doesn't fit the age group of the team. Third, we've seen the potential of Louis Williams as our future PG of this team, this season. It sounds that the most logical thing to do with Andre Miller is to trade him.

Danny Ainge was faced with the same dilemma last season with the Celtics. Pierce wasn't the kind of player to built around. Pierce doesn't fit the age group of the majority of the players in the team. The Celts got several players that could replace Pierce's niche on the team, such as Al Jefferson.

I really think that Stefanski would take the same bold step Ainge took last offseason. Like the Celts last season, we are equipped with a lot of young talent and some interesting assets on the team. We have Thad, Carney, Louis Williams, Jason Smith, our cap space, and 1st rounders. These assets could be in a package for an all-star caliber player this offseason.

This is a scenario I can see the Sixers making this offseason..

The Clippers and the Kings was lost in the race in the Western Conference. With the acquisition of several all-star players in the west. Guys like Shaq, Gasol, and Kidd did create a huge seperation between contenders and pretenders in the west. I do see the Clipps rebuilding this offseason, with Sam Cassel be bought out of the Clipps and guys like Mobley, being traded for expirings. As for the Kings, they are on a rebuilding mode also, shown by trading bibby for basically expirings. ( I don't consider Shelden as an asset )

This is a trade I can see these three things be involved with this offseason.


Kings Receives:
Reggie Evans
Carney
Willie Green
Utah's 1st rounder

Why for the Kings:
This was the rumored deal. I think that the Kings would do this primarily because its the best offer they can get for Ron Artest. Carney and Willie are two guys who fits well with Sac's town's offense.

Kings Line-up:
Basically the same


Clippers Receives:
Cap Space
Thaddeus Young
Jason Smith
Louis Williams
Sixers' 1st rounder

Why for the Clippers:
They got great assets for a rebuilding team. Cap space, a lotto pick, and three promising players.

Clippers Line-up:
Williams
Mobley
Al Thornton
Thaddeus Young
Chris Kaman

Sixers Receives:
Elton Brand
Ron Artest

Why for the Sixers:
Instantly become contenders in the league.

Sixers Line-up:
Andre Miller
Andre Iguodala
Ron Artest
Elton Brand
Samuel Dalembert

[76erinSJ]

So our bench would be Booth? Lol that will never happen.

[76ciology]

So our bench would be Booth? Lol that will never happen.

With the amount of talent in the FA every year, I don't see it as a problem.

At this point of our rebuilding stage, sixers shouldn't be worrying about their bench, instead they should be worrying about their starters. This team is full of bench players pretending to be starters.

If it is really an issue to you. We can trade Iguodala instead of Thaddeus Young. And use our cap space to sign bench players.

So our line-up would be..

Andre Miller
Ron Artest
Thaddeus Young
Elton Brand
Dalembert

[eyeatoma]

LOOL, you think ED is going to give up Thaddeus Young? And theres a difference between a bold step, and a completely illogical one. Artest is a headcase, who offers no security to the team. Brand has injury issues that may never go away. Sure they have quite a few years in their prime, I would say, 2-3, but, its not like we've been mired in the cellar of the NBA. There is no need for such a drastic measure just so we can have 2-3 years of being a contender. Its not like this team doesn't have any chemistry either. The celtics, were the laughing stock of the NBA. They were constantly getting blown out game after game, simultaneously wasting what little window they had with Paul Pierce.

[corwin]

The thing that people forget about the Celtics is that they have probably a 2-year window & then they'll be the laughingstock of the league again. They made the move for Pierce (sort of like bringing in Webber for AI). It was worth the shot considering how they were "nothing" in New England. Philly is building a team for a long-term run. I doubt there will be any quick fixes for overpriced stars approaching 30.

[eyeatoma]

The thing that people forget about the Celtics is that they have probably a 2-year window & then they'll be the laughingstock of the league again. They made the move for Pierce (sort of like bringing in Webber for AI). It was worth the shot considering how they were "nothing" in New England. Philly is building a team for a long-term run. I doubt there will be any quick fixes for overpriced stars approaching 30.

My point exactly...

[philbe311]

Let's me make a couple of observations and state a couple of beliefs:

1. It tooks us years to get to the point where we finally have some cap space, let's not waste it.

2. My general belief on RFAs. While I'd love to see Okafor here, for the most part, if a player's original team isn't willing to match an offer sheet, that means you've overpaid. I'm not opposed to making reasonable offers, I don't want to overpay.

3. There's isn't too much in the way of UFA to get excited about this year.

All that being said, here are my thoughts / expectations / hopes on the upcoming off-season:

1. I'll judge Ed more by what he doesn't do... Meaning, I'll be very happy if we get through next season without overpaying for a RFA, Iguodala, or Lou Williams...

2. Based on my points 2 & 3 above, I think any impact moves will have to be made via trade.

3. While moving up in the draft would be nice, if you can't get to #1 or #2, the price probably isn't worth it. There are players in the late lotte / mid teens that I would be happy with (Arthur, Collison, Augustin, Hendrix, etc...)

4. While I'd love to have a competative team in 08-09, let's not for about about 09-10, 10-11, and beyond. I think what Presti has done in SEA is mind boggling. He's stock piled picks, cleared cap space, and I think SEA is positioned to be a potential Dynasty in the early part of the next decade...