Nick Young

Trojans5 · Post #1 » by **Trojans5** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 3:01 am

What do you guys think of Nick so far this year.. i was a huge fan when he was at USC. He is avg 6.4 pts 1.3 reb and 0.8 ast. Hes high was 18 so far. I think the Wiz have a really good talent in Young. Next year he should start...

closg00 · Post #2 » by **closg00** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 3:26 am

You picked the wrong time to ask about Nick Young. Dude has mad talent, but he needs some serious seasoning time in the D-League. Nick could also thrive sooner in a different offensive setting - our Princeton offense isn't working for him yet.

go'stags · Post #3 » by **go'stags** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 3:26 am

A lot of people on here don't like him. I think he will be a pretty good scorer. I like him more off the bench though.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #4 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:16 pm

Hes played above expectations. Most people before the season didn't even expect him to get minutes.

This board is way to critical of rookies and young players. One or two bad games in a row and they want everyone benched, sent to the D-league or declared a bust.

MJG · Post #5 » by **MJG** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 3:08 pm

I didn't like him before the draft; I thought he'd be a big bust. I warmed up to him in the preseason, to the point where I was open to the idea of him being pretty decent. After the first month or so, I was actually pretty darn happy with him, hoping he'd start getting bigger minutes.

Recently though, I've come down a little bit; I still like his longterm prospects, but he's clearly not ready for a much bigger role just yet. He is almost painfully selfish on offense, and really doesn't do much else beyond putting the ball in the basket. I think the former will work itself in a year or two, though the latter could very well always be an issue.

When I think of his ceiling, I think of a Michael Redd or Kevin Martin. His floor, assuming he doesn't really improve much over the years, may be something like Eddie House. You know what? That's a lot better than I was expecting when we drafted him, so he's still a thumbs up from me.

Da big3 · Post #6 » by **Da big3** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:00 am

the guy has talent, like marcus williams he needs to work on his jumper

Post #7 » by **nate33** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:06 am

Da big3 wrote:the guy has talent, like marcus williams he needs to work on his jumper

He's a 38% shooter from 3-point range which leads the team. Setting the bar kinda high for a rookie, aren't you?

queridiculo · Post #8 » by **queridiculo** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:02 am

Nick Young has a handle that's pretty much not NBA ready. He cannot be trusted with the ball in his hands at all, and from preseason to now I haven't seen much improvement in that regard.

GilArenas88 · Post #9 » by **GilArenas88** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:24 am

He's the definition of out of control a lot of games but hes young with a lot of potential....

Kanyewest · Post #10 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:32 am

Nick Young's jumper is already better than Marcus William's jumper at the NBA level. He needs to work on putting on some bulk, improve his decision making process, and just get used to playing in the NBA. His biggest improvements will probably come after his rookie season.

zardsfan · Post #11 » by **zardsfan** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:18 am

If Eddie Jordan is going to let Nick jack shots up at will in the 4th period, then Nick is going to have to at least learn how to milk that shot clock a little bit.

Against Golden State tonight, Nick was jacking up quick shots in the 4th when the Zards were trying to hold a thin lead... clueless :roll:

... just like his coach.

hands11 · Post #12 » by **hands11** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:47 am

NY is adding some more handles as of late.

Actually NY reminds me a lot of GA the first couple years he played here.

GA would add a little to his game each year and make a lot of mistakes in the process. He did a lot of one-on-one stuff.

But as with all our youngs, they don't play much.

GA first year in GS he started 30 or 47 games playing 24 mins a game 10.9 pts. I don't know why he didn't play more games. Maybe an injury.

NY has started 2 games in 52 with 14 mins a game 6.6 pts
If you doubled his mins he would be at 13 pts a game.

The kid need more experience. Look how much game he has with limited court time.

I also think he is about as goofy as GA. Not a leader type.

ZonkertheBrainless · Post #13 » by **ZonkertheBrainless** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:25 pm

The draft eval says he's a good scorer but has pitifully low assists for a 2G, never rebounds, and can't play defense. This has pretty much been borne out as we watched him play so far.

His wingspan is ridiculous for his height and he can't help but play good defense if he tries, but he still makes mental mistakes, fortunately they appear curable with experience.

His inability to pass the ball is excused by his higher than average "create your own shot" ability which is extremely valuable in the nba.

Would be nice to see him hustle more, grab some rebounds, get on the floor and get some loose balls, just in general be a little less worried about "looking cool" and more worried about winning.

Post #14 » by **nate33** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:32 pm

FWIW, his per-minute rebounding rate is actually higher than Stevenson, Mason and Daniels. That's damning with faint praise, but perhaps it's an indication that our system isn't all that well-suited for guards to get rebounds.

His rebounding isn't great, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he "never rebounds".

His passing is indeed pitifully low though.

yungal07 · Post #15 » by **yungal07** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:36 pm

As long as he develops an ability to score efficiently and plays decent enough defense (which I'm 100% sure he can), it really shouldn't matter how many rebounds he grabs or how many assists he gets.

All in all, the kid is on the right track.

Post #16 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:14 pm

No doubt he's got talent - a gifted player - a gifted shooter who can create his own shot. I question his basketball IQ when it comes to doing anything but scoring. His 1 dimension is very important, but I don't care for 1 dimensional players. Hopefully, he'll prove me foolish for questioning him. He certainly has the physical ability to do so.

He's MUCH more like a young Courtney Alexander than a young Gilbert Arenas.

doclinkin · Post #17 » by **doclinkin** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:59 pm

nate33 wrote:FWIW, his per-minute rebounding rate is actually higher than Stevenson, Mason and Daniels. That's damning with faint praise, but perhaps it's an indication that our system isn't all that well-suited for guards to get rebounds.

In many respects it's a consequence of our improved defense.

Gil consistently ranks high in rebounds among PG's (usually 2nd behind JKidd) due to his habit of ball watching. On offense this means you are out of position for transition defense, diving into the Bigs for a loose ball leaves your man (quick uptempo guard) unmarked on the perimeter to receive the pass from the bigs if you miss the board.

On defense, ball watching on the perimeter means you are vulnerable to getting picked or back-doored, though here at least Gil's rebounding will make a huge difference when he regains full speed full strength, and with improved defensive principles his defensive rebounding may improve: he can seal his man out, then collect any long rebounds _in his area_ that come from missed outside shots.

Minor corrections of habit technique and emphasis will make a huge difference here. And he's got an object lesson (as does the coach) in the importance of letting the Bigs do the rebounding inside the FT line considering that's how Gil's knee got killed in the first place.

On Nick's boards vs. the others. With respect to DS2 and Mase, Nick is more likely to get an offensive rebound chance since his game is the drive to midrange-pull-up, where DS2 and Mase are more likely to shoot from outside (until recently, when '3shawn' has begun to drive and attack more). And when Daniels drives, he's out of position for the board because he's usually picking his carcass up off the floor afterwards.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #18 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:48 pm

nate33 wrote:FWIW, his per-minute rebounding rate is actually higher than Stevenson, Mason and Daniels. That's damning with faint praise, but perhaps it's an indication that our system isn't all that well-suited for guards to get rebounds.

His rebounding isn't great, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he "never rebounds".

His passing is indeed pitifully low though.

One thing I didn't like prior to DeShawn's resigning was his low rebounding rate. I thought a guy like Childress would really be something at G for the Wizards because Josh is a terrific rebounder. (I know he's under contract with ATL, but just would like him at G for the Wizards). Same thing with Daniels, I noticed like with DeShawn that AD's rebounding statistics are that of a a poor rebounding guard.

If it's the system that is not conducive for guard rebounding, as nate suggests, I noticed years back Larry Hughes was a very good rebounding G for Washington in this system. I'd still trade AD and Etan for him because of Larry's rebounding and steals. Washington early this season discovered rebounding advantage and defense wins games.

DeShawn's really been solid this season and has a starting streak, so I'd see that Hughes and he would have conflicting interests at SG. That would be the problem in my mind with a Hughes for AD/Etan swap.

DeShawn in my mind would be a good sixth man and Hughes would be a more talented SG.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #19 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:02 pm

yungal07 wrote:As long as he develops an ability to score efficiently and plays decent enough defense (which I'm 100% sure he can), it really shouldn't matter how many rebounds he grabs or how many assists he gets.

All in all, the kid is on the right track.

yungul, I don't mind Nick being a one-trick pony, either, if he does that one trick well.

Defend enough, pass the ball when it's needed, but above all Nick needs to score efficiently enough to help the Wizards more than he hurts them as he shoots the ball.

Right now he's not efficient enough of a scorer to add to the team overall. His minuses (ball hogging and basically just being a shooter) don't YET outweigh his minuses (team gets flat-footed watching him heist the ball, and Nick's been a spectator on defense for the most part--he's got to do more than get an occasional passing lane steal).

Nick's definitely got the physical tools to be a good one.

ZonkertheBrainless · Post #20 » by **ZonkertheBrainless** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:48 pm

EJ's offense does spend a lot of time letting people get the ball in a spot where they can do something one-on-one with the ball. Look where Jamison gets it. Look where Caron gets it. Look where Gil gets it. If you have one-on-one skills the offense puts you in a position to take advantage of it. So I don't have a problem with Nick being a black hole, because he can make stuff happen offensively.

If he can play defense to the best of his physical and mental ability and hustle a little, he's potential starter material.